Cliff LyonScott McCoy’s Brilliant Oratory on Senate Floor - Must Listen!
Utah State Senator Scott McCoy made history on the floor of the Senate on Wednesday.
After listening to some of the most shameful testimony by Senator Buttars and others, Scott got up unprepared and delivered an absolutly powerful, brillant speech.
Just listen!
February 24th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
Hearing your speach and knowing Sen Buttars and others heard every word may be the single most powerful “talkin to” they ever had.
That is the legacy Scott will leave behind when he leaves the Senate hopefully 40 years from know.
Where else can you force a captive audience of old gray white bigots to LISTEN!
To hear love and passion, humility and self-respect expressed from someone who is so widely respected.
There is hope
Thank you Scott for bothering to try to change theirminds.
You are my Ghandi for the day.
Love Paula
February 24th, 2006 at 8:20 pm
The witness’s testimony about his daughter’s almost conversion, and his dentists daughter’s “near miss”, in terms of the tradegy it would have meant for the families - “We still morn for the 15 years of lost happiness” - brought a tear to my eye for the suffering of so many gay and lesbian children of narrow-minded over-indoctrinated Mormon families, who will actually feel sorry for their son or daughter or sibling because they are completely normal in ever way except for a perfectly natural gift of loving differently than the majority.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
I am not gay, and I do not really know any gay people, but I can assure you, no one could convert me ever no how no way. I can also tell you my 15-year-old son is unconvertable.
I can only imagine that the people who think you can convert kids to gay maybe have an unresolved personal issue with their own identity.
“I say leave them alone!”
February 24th, 2006 at 8:34 pm
I liked it the ole days like Brokeback Mountain when you could keep it in the closet and occasionally hook up with some good o’l boy for some bad boy lovin.
It was alot more exciting cause we knew who we were and the rules and all, and ya didn’t have to deal with all in emotional crap some of ‘em want nowadays… just like a woman.
Always wanting to be kissen an huggin in public like a godamn exhibitionist. I wish it would go back to the old days when it was just nice and quite.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Well I do have a lot of gay friends, and it is embarassing sometimes to be reminded that I must warn people ahead of time so they dont think I’m gay too. Because some people wonder, and I don’t know if they’ll take it our on me if I don’t tell them, or if I say something, some people call ME a bigot.
Do you know what I mean?
February 24th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
Listening to the audio of the hearing reminds me why hearsay statements are not considered admissible evidence in a court of law. Just imagine the chaos that would result if the opposite were the case.
Senator Buttars is truly an embarassment to the great State of Utah!
February 25th, 2006 at 12:04 am
Scott McCoy has shined some light on a very dark day.
February 25th, 2006 at 7:35 am
Bravo Sen. McCoy and to other senators who spoke on behalf of human decency. I find it laughable that Sen. Buttars defended his bill (after McCoy’s statement) by arguing that there are no references to “gay and lesbian” in it and that his bill is not a “gay issue”, yet all he seems to talk about is the “immorality” of homosexuality.
As a teacher, I engage in “character education” on a daily basis. Legislation like “Buttars Bills” are clearly aimed at defining “character” by one set of criteria of some narrow-minded holier-than-thou legislators who obviously think that “morals” only pertain to their personal lifestyles.
Kudos to the brave senators who stood up against Buttars the Bully.
February 25th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
I know this is a Utah blog but frankly listening to Utahp olitics is about as interesting as watching paint dry.
It is so great that the guy opposing homo clubs in schools is named butt-arse.
Kids could start a hetero club, they could call it the clit club for instance.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
Deanna raises an interesting point, one that illustrates a standard tactic (or ploy) for Sen. Buttars. He often argues that his bills are not directed at some specific thing or group based on the absence of language specifically identifying or otherwise referring to the specific thing or group. Case in point is the argument that because his bill fails to mention the word “gay” or words of similar import, then his bill cannot possibly be about gays; notwithstanding, however, the grandstanding about gays for months leading up to introduction of his bill. He did the exact same thing with his evolution/origins of life bill. For months he grandstanded about intelligent design and religion vs. evolution/origins of life, and that his yet-to-be released bill would take care of those godless, heathen, atheist types who support evolution. Now that his bill is public, he takes the position that his bill has nothing to do with intelligent design or religion because neither is specifically mentioned in the bill.
Notwithstanding the obvious nature of the ploy, what bothers me greatly is the conservative types who rally behind Buttars and mouth the same flawed logic. I mean, come on folks, really! If you dislike gays and evolution, fine. Pass your pathetic laws and let’s move on to the lawsuits. But don’t treat the rest of us in the process like a bunch of idiots because we refuse to buy into Buttars’ flawed logic.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
There is a God, and he is funny! Oops! Maybe she is funny. Butt-arse, huhhuh huh.
This is the way civilizations crumble, by focusing on nonsense like this issue.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
Something I found interesting in the floor discussion was Buttars’ assertion that the e-mails he receives criticizing him or calling him bad names for sponsoring the gay club bill were only from gays. I think that were Buttars to look below the surface, he would find that the majority of the e-mails he receives come from non-gay supporters of individual rights, regardless of sexual persuasion.
Buttars is as disgusting a person as I have ever known. He deserves an all expenses paid hunting trip with Dick “the dick” Cheney.
February 25th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Once again, the conservative ilk appears stumped. I have listened to the audio several times now, and remain at a complete loss as to how even the most hardened of neocons - or, in particular, mere staunch opponents of gay clubs - can support the statements made by Buttars (and, for that matter, Hillyard).
Where is Ethan? On vacation, or sleeping? Apparently, even Ethan cannot, in good faith, respond to this post and support these statements made by Buttars and his supporters. Indeed, to drag a fellow gay-hater onto the floor debate for a dose of ad hoc family story-telling, and then conclude based on the most blatant of hearsay statements (in fact, double-hearsay statements) that gay-clubs promote indoctrination and recruitment, is insulting; and should, moreover, be insulting to even the most ardent opponents of gay clubs. Ethan, your silence on this point is deafening, and telling!
The debate is heated and not likely to go away anytime soon. But let’s keep the debate grounded in fact and based on reason. Arguments such as those made by Buttars have no place moving forward on this issue - apparently, the ends, in Buttars’ mind, justify any means necessary, even if insulting to the public!
February 25th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
I don’t know that Ethan is a conservative in the current sense. He hates both Senator Hatch and Rocky Anderson the progressive mayor of SLC. And he supports Pete Ashdown.
I’ve been reading his blog for a year or so. My sense is he is a classic case of LDS schizophrenia.
He seems to be open to progressive ideas and is critical of… well Hatch, but then he slams a lot of democrats.
When I really thing about it, Ethan is a mystery. He seems to support the Bush admin but doesn’t neccessarily agree with Utah bigotry, but…oh crap I don’t know. He’s pretty much all over the place.
Maybe he is a conservative. I should probably just shut up.
BTW: Ethan runs http://www.slcspin.blogspot.com/
February 27th, 2006 at 9:58 am
Oooh, I didn’t know about that one.
Great. Well, you know what’s been shown in numerous studies, the latest of note:
“Henry Adams, a psychology professor at the University of Georgia, ran a study…where he took guys who declared they were homophobic…and put them to the test. Each of the guys had to sit there and watch gay porn…and each one had a plethysmograph strapped to his manhood…that’s a little ring that goes around your business, and measures ANY engorgement.
What happened??? Four out of five of the homophobes, or 80%, had SOME AROUSAL to the gay porn!!!
Adams believes this shows that homophobia is really just a form of, quote, “latent homosexuality…where persons are either unaware of, or deny, their homosexual urges.” (Sunday Sun)”
I hope the Utah legislature starts dealing with their sexual issues soon and would urge all of them to get some therapy in the hopes that they could eventually come out of the closet and be true to who they are: queers.
Michael, SLC
February 27th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
As I have always said to my homophobic friends, “what are you concerned about?, two decent looking guys want to screw one another, you benefit. When was the last time you got laid anyway, at least you have less competition.” Works every time, it is a conversation ender.
I used to hang out in the Vogue in Seattle which had a sign that said, if you have any attitudes concerning alternative lifestyles don’t even think of coming in here. Great place, saw things I was unprepared to see, and in total liked the half naked chicks myself, dodging the catcalls from the gayboys by the bathroom made me want to hold it, but all in all no harm. Beats the hotel bar.
March 2nd, 2006 at 1:45 pm
okay, so where do I get the complete audio? I mean, the one before you sanitized it and got rid of the comments before and after Senator McCoy.
March 2nd, 2006 at 2:10 pm
If you go back to the home page, you will find the long version as well without procedural stuff.
Direct link to Senate audio on the Senate site floor debates page http://www.le.state.ut.us/asp/audio/index.asp?House=S The bill is SB9007 38th day.
Direct link to audio http://www.le.state.ut.us/servlet/smil?sess=2006GS&ID=39935
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