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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://oneutah.org/2006/07/22/the-lds-and-democrat-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-88785</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blate, Blate, Blate -

I am writing to this several months after the election.  I agree that I made some mistakes in my campaign.  But if anybody were to ask me, I told them I was the Democrat.  I will do it differently next time, I promise you this.  But I still maintain that most people won&#039;t even open the door if they think it is the Democrat knocking, and I *did* have the door slammed in my face more than once.

The only thing I wish...  I you would have taken more opportunities to get to know me.

On Saturday, I was elected the chairman of the Iron county democrats.  I don&#039;t think there is *any* chance of me hiding now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blate, Blate, Blate -</p>
<p>I am writing to this several months after the election.  I agree that I made some mistakes in my campaign.  But if anybody were to ask me, I told them I was the Democrat.  I will do it differently next time, I promise you this.  But I still maintain that most people won&#8217;t even open the door if they think it is the Democrat knocking, and I *did* have the door slammed in my face more than once.</p>
<p>The only thing I wish&#8230;  I you would have taken more opportunities to get to know me.</p>
<p>On Saturday, I was elected the chairman of the Iron county democrats.  I don&#8217;t think there is *any* chance of me hiding now!</p>
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		<title>By: Blate Minkler</title>
		<link>http://oneutah.org/2006/07/22/the-lds-and-democrat-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-11718</link>
		<dc:creator>Blate Minkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have pondered this statement and even wrote my own response to Rob, telling him that I agree with his thoughts and that I pledge to go out and be a better Democrat *and* a better Latter Day Saint by not hiding from my own politics.&quot;

I found the above quote from Emily interesting.  I received a mailer from her last week.  On one side was a quote from Ronald Reagan.  Nowhere on this flier was there any mention of her party affiliation.  Would this qualify as &quot;hiding from her own politics?&quot;  I think so.  She&#039;s lost my respect and my interest in her as a candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have pondered this statement and even wrote my own response to Rob, telling him that I agree with his thoughts and that I pledge to go out and be a better Democrat *and* a better Latter Day Saint by not hiding from my own politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I found the above quote from Emily interesting.  I received a mailer from her last week.  On one side was a quote from Ronald Reagan.  Nowhere on this flier was there any mention of her party affiliation.  Would this qualify as &#8220;hiding from her own politics?&#8221;  I think so.  She&#8217;s lost my respect and my interest in her as a candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hamlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Hamlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, I am from Michigan and we have the same problem here as you are having in Utah. This is a Church wide problem. I&#039;ve been told by Mormon republicans that my membership needs to be questioned because I&#039;m a Democrate. There is no easy answer to how to solve this problem. Iwish you all the luck in combating this in your area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, I am from Michigan and we have the same problem here as you are having in Utah. This is a Church wide problem. I&#8217;ve been told by Mormon republicans that my membership needs to be questioned because I&#8217;m a Democrate. There is no easy answer to how to solve this problem. Iwish you all the luck in combating this in your area.</p>
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		<title>By: One Utah &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All politics is local - Support Rob Miller for Davis County</title>
		<link>http://oneutah.org/2006/07/22/the-lds-and-democrat-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-5459</link>
		<dc:creator>One Utah &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All politics is local - Support Rob Miller for Davis County</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I met Rob through my association with the Utah Democratic Party. Rob was also very instrumental in getting me to just go for it and run for the Utah Senate. At first he told me it was &#8220;OK&#8221; to be the sacrificial name on the ballot - he told me that it was OK if I didn&#8217;t do anything but just put my name out there. However, once I decided to GO, and run a real campaign for senate seat 28, Rob has been one of my biggest cheerleaders. Recently, Rob shared his thoughts on being an LDS Democrat. I felt inspired to weigh in on the subject and shared some of those thoughts right here on this blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I met Rob through my association with the Utah Democratic Party. Rob was also very instrumental in getting me to just go for it and run for the Utah Senate. At first he told me it was &#8220;OK&#8221; to be the sacrificial name on the ballot &#8211; he told me that it was OK if I didn&#8217;t do anything but just put my name out there. However, once I decided to GO, and run a real campaign for senate seat 28, Rob has been one of my biggest cheerleaders. Recently, Rob shared his thoughts on being an LDS Democrat. I felt inspired to weigh in on the subject and shared some of those thoughts right here on this blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://oneutah.org/2006/07/22/the-lds-and-democrat-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-4804</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Yo said &quot;A large, clumsy, government making choices for us and taking care of us is exactly what we donâ€™t need in our lives. Fortunatly most Mormons understand that and the Republican party is the obvious choice.&quot;

I assume you are repeating the mantra that democrats are big gov&#039;t tax and spend.  Does that mean if it turned out the Bush adminstration oversaw the largest increase in the size of government since the new deal, that you would stop voting replublican?

Because that is the case.

And about tax and spend?  Are you unaware that this adminstration has spent us into the ground?

As a conservative, it is expected that you will hold on to the past - yeah, past beliefs, and false ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Yo said &#8220;A large, clumsy, government making choices for us and taking care of us is exactly what we donâ€™t need in our lives. Fortunatly most Mormons understand that and the Republican party is the obvious choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume you are repeating the mantra that democrats are big gov&#8217;t tax and spend.  Does that mean if it turned out the Bush adminstration oversaw the largest increase in the size of government since the new deal, that you would stop voting replublican?</p>
<p>Because that is the case.</p>
<p>And about tax and spend?  Are you unaware that this adminstration has spent us into the ground?</p>
<p>As a conservative, it is expected that you will hold on to the past &#8211; yeah, past beliefs, and false ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Hollingshead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Hollingshead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

Thank you for your reply.  Unfortunately, the politics thing happens at church more than it should, even if it only happens a few times a year. 

You are right about personal choice and responsibility, but  I don&#039;t think people make life decisions based on their political affiliations.  They choose political affiliations based on their life experience.   

The problem is illustrated in exactly what you sai d- &quot;The Democratic Party is associated with far-left wing Hollywood liberals&quot; - that&#039;s a perception that we need to change, and the LDS Democrats  and other &quot;Democrats of Faith&quot; unfortunately have the burden of changing the perception.  

I am still hearing that the &quot;left wing liberals&quot; are the problem.  I don&#039;t need to remind anybody that there are plenty of Republicans who have made some interesting life choices.  Ted Bundy was a Republican... but we don&#039;t blame the republican party for his actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave -</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply.  Unfortunately, the politics thing happens at church more than it should, even if it only happens a few times a year. </p>
<p>You are right about personal choice and responsibility, but  I don&#8217;t think people make life decisions based on their political affiliations.  They choose political affiliations based on their life experience.   </p>
<p>The problem is illustrated in exactly what you sai d- &#8220;The Democratic Party is associated with far-left wing Hollywood liberals&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s a perception that we need to change, and the LDS Democrats  and other &#8220;Democrats of Faith&#8221; unfortunately have the burden of changing the perception.  </p>
<p>I am still hearing that the &#8220;left wing liberals&#8221; are the problem.  I don&#8217;t need to remind anybody that there are plenty of Republicans who have made some interesting life choices.  Ted Bundy was a Republican&#8230; but we don&#8217;t blame the republican party for his actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize if my original comment came off more defensive than it should have been.  I was scanning through some fairly liberal sites and was linked here.
I agree fully that politics have no place in church, and the Republican Party is not the LDS party and shouldn&#039;t be promoted in church functions.  But I don&#039;t think church meetings are too oppressive for Democrats or brainwashing right wing politics.  Sure a comment will come up here and there, but what part of society is perfect in this respect. Politics are a separate interest that sometimes finds its way into meetings, and the church as a whole canâ€™t be judged on the actions of some of its members
I was trying to respond to the implication that Mormons are Republican because we are blind â€œsheepâ€. I do feel that credit should be given to the bulk of church members who are smart and have thought out their standing on issues.  I am not rejecting the right of Democrats to their political thinking, but most Mormons are right-wing, I feel, because it better fits with the LDS philosophy on personal choice. And unfortunately the Democratic Party is associated with far left-wing Hollywood liberals and that doesnâ€™t help peopleâ€™s opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize if my original comment came off more defensive than it should have been.  I was scanning through some fairly liberal sites and was linked here.<br />
I agree fully that politics have no place in church, and the Republican Party is not the LDS party and shouldn&#8217;t be promoted in church functions.  But I don&#8217;t think church meetings are too oppressive for Democrats or brainwashing right wing politics.  Sure a comment will come up here and there, but what part of society is perfect in this respect. Politics are a separate interest that sometimes finds its way into meetings, and the church as a whole canâ€™t be judged on the actions of some of its members<br />
I was trying to respond to the implication that Mormons are Republican because we are blind â€œsheepâ€. I do feel that credit should be given to the bulk of church members who are smart and have thought out their standing on issues.  I am not rejecting the right of Democrats to their political thinking, but most Mormons are right-wing, I feel, because it better fits with the LDS philosophy on personal choice. And unfortunately the Democratic Party is associated with far left-wing Hollywood liberals and that doesnâ€™t help peopleâ€™s opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: the atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a little levity. How do o these topics even qualify as interesting?

If church republicans cannot see the disaster of their choices with regards to politics by now, what on earth is a progressive blog like this attempting to do? Start a fight? 

Anyway;

It is important for all of us -- of all faiths -- to recognize these four 
Religious Truths: 

1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God&#039;s chosen 
people. (who does?)

2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. (He was disguised as an anti capitalist commie)

3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the 
leader of the Christian world. (who would what with the ridiculous hat)?

4. Southern Baptists(Mormons?) do not recognize each other at Hooters. (remember avert your eyes, look to the left)

Now that ought to start a fight and we atheists can have SOME PEACE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a little levity. How do o these topics even qualify as interesting?</p>
<p>If church republicans cannot see the disaster of their choices with regards to politics by now, what on earth is a progressive blog like this attempting to do? Start a fight? </p>
<p>Anyway;</p>
<p>It is important for all of us &#8212; of all faiths &#8212; to recognize these four<br />
Religious Truths: </p>
<p>1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God&#8217;s chosen<br />
people. (who does?)</p>
<p>2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. (He was disguised as an anti capitalist commie)</p>
<p>3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the<br />
leader of the Christian world. (who would what with the ridiculous hat)?</p>
<p>4. Southern Baptists(Mormons?) do not recognize each other at Hooters. (remember avert your eyes, look to the left)</p>
<p>Now that ought to start a fight and we atheists can have SOME PEACE!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Hollingshead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Hollingshead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

Can you tell us how you *really* feel? :-)

For the record, I&#039;m not angry with the world or anybody else. I&#039;m a pretty happy and well-grounded gal who does a LOT of deep thinking, contrary to what you might think. The fact that I&#039;ve come to a different conclusion than you doesn&#039;t mean I haven&#039;t thought a lot about it.

For you, the teachings of the LDS church make the GOP the &quot;obvious choice.&quot; I get that, and I respect that. But I know lots of good LDS people who vehemently believe that the Democratic party is the obvious choice. So which is it? Is it possible that we could *both* be right? The whole point of my post was that Democrats should not be villified from the pulpit just because we&#039;ve simply chosen a different political philosphy.

Really, I think you&#039;re missing that point altogether... And so let me explain this to you one more time: When negative comments about Democrats or Liberals are preached over the pulpit, it is wrong. Most people don&#039;t stop and think that there is any difference between a &quot;Liberal Hollywood Type&quot; and an LDS Democrat. We are always being throwin into the same big political pot, assuming that our politics must dictate a certain lifestyle that is incongruent with LDS teachings.Â  That&#039;s the part that makes my blood boil.

The other problem is the assumption that all LDS membership is Republican. I have a dear friend who lives in a small Utah community. Last time she went to vote, the poll worker asked her if she knew that her political party was listed incorrectly on the records, and that they could &quot;fix that right now.&quot; My friend looked and saw that it said &quot;Democrat&quot; - she told the woman, &quot;no -- that is correct, I am a registered Democrat.&quot; The woman told her that she assumed it was a mistake, and that there was no way this stake young women&#039;s president could be a Democrat!

And thus, the struggle continues.

To sum it up, this post was written by a visitor to my &lt;a href=&quot;http://emilyforutah.blogspot.com/2006/07/from-utah-amicus-sacrament-meeting.html&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I really appreciate your comments. I am very active in both the LDS Church and Republican Party leadership. However, I feel strongly that a two-party system is superior to a one-party system.

In a one-party system, the party no longer has to worry about whether its candidates embrace its platform principles. They take for granted that their candidate will win and they become less responsive to the electorate. Having a strong and viable Democratic party is not only in the best interest of Democrats, but also in the best interests of Republicans.

I, too, often hear comments from other members of my faith saying, &quot;How can any good Mormon be a Democrat?&quot;

As a Republican, I am still offended by such comments. The two parties embrace different philosophies of how to solve problems. But neither platform is incompatible with my religious principles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave -</p>
<p>Can you tell us how you *really* feel? <img src='http://oneutah.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For the record, I&#8217;m not angry with the world or anybody else. I&#8217;m a pretty happy and well-grounded gal who does a LOT of deep thinking, contrary to what you might think. The fact that I&#8217;ve come to a different conclusion than you doesn&#8217;t mean I haven&#8217;t thought a lot about it.</p>
<p>For you, the teachings of the LDS church make the GOP the &#8220;obvious choice.&#8221; I get that, and I respect that. But I know lots of good LDS people who vehemently believe that the Democratic party is the obvious choice. So which is it? Is it possible that we could *both* be right? The whole point of my post was that Democrats should not be villified from the pulpit just because we&#8217;ve simply chosen a different political philosphy.</p>
<p>Really, I think you&#8217;re missing that point altogether&#8230; And so let me explain this to you one more time: When negative comments about Democrats or Liberals are preached over the pulpit, it is wrong. Most people don&#8217;t stop and think that there is any difference between a &#8220;Liberal Hollywood Type&#8221; and an LDS Democrat. We are always being throwin into the same big political pot, assuming that our politics must dictate a certain lifestyle that is incongruent with LDS teachings.Â  That&#8217;s the part that makes my blood boil.</p>
<p>The other problem is the assumption that all LDS membership is Republican. I have a dear friend who lives in a small Utah community. Last time she went to vote, the poll worker asked her if she knew that her political party was listed incorrectly on the records, and that they could &#8220;fix that right now.&#8221; My friend looked and saw that it said &#8220;Democrat&#8221; &#8211; she told the woman, &#8220;no &#8212; that is correct, I am a registered Democrat.&#8221; The woman told her that she assumed it was a mistake, and that there was no way this stake young women&#8217;s president could be a Democrat!</p>
<p>And thus, the struggle continues.</p>
<p>To sum it up, this post was written by a visitor to my <a href="http://emilyforutah.blogspot.com/2006/07/from-utah-amicus-sacrament-meeting.html">blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I really appreciate your comments. I am very active in both the LDS Church and Republican Party leadership. However, I feel strongly that a two-party system is superior to a one-party system.</p>
<p>In a one-party system, the party no longer has to worry about whether its candidates embrace its platform principles. They take for granted that their candidate will win and they become less responsive to the electorate. Having a strong and viable Democratic party is not only in the best interest of Democrats, but also in the best interests of Republicans.</p>
<p>I, too, often hear comments from other members of my faith saying, &#8220;How can any good Mormon be a Democrat?&#8221;</p>
<p>As a Republican, I am still offended by such comments. The two parties embrace different philosophies of how to solve problems. But neither platform is incompatible with my religious principles.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ldsnomore</title>
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		<dc:creator>ldsnomore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

You actually think OneUtah is a â€œliberal Mormon blog support groups.â€??  Youâ€™re kidding, right?  Now thatâ€™s ignorant.  You may want to dig a little deeper and get a better understanding of where you are slinging your accusations.  Take your head out of the sand and truly see why Mormonâ€™s vote Republican; itâ€™s because they are sheep, following their shepherd.  They donâ€™t need to think, feel, or know.  Itâ€™s so easy and they never have to take the blame.  I donâ€™t get the feeling that Emily is angry; she is someone who has taken the time and energy to be informed and think for herself.  Try it; you might learn something â€“ for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>You actually think OneUtah is a â€œliberal Mormon blog support groups.â€??  Youâ€™re kidding, right?  Now thatâ€™s ignorant.  You may want to dig a little deeper and get a better understanding of where you are slinging your accusations.  Take your head out of the sand and truly see why Mormonâ€™s vote Republican; itâ€™s because they are sheep, following their shepherd.  They donâ€™t need to think, feel, or know.  Itâ€™s so easy and they never have to take the blame.  I donâ€™t get the feeling that Emily is angry; she is someone who has taken the time and energy to be informed and think for herself.  Try it; you might learn something â€“ for yourself.</p>
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