Cliff LyonJim Matheson’s Dilemma. Plays Us for Fools.
Death of Habeas
The rights and liberties of our country that once made us a beacon of freedom guaranteed by our constitution are now relegated to the whims of a frighteningly dimwitted frat boy, a stooge AG, and his Nazi handlers with the full support of Utah Congressman Jim Matheson.
Congratulations Bush lovers and sell-out politicos. You may have just destroyed America.
I regret stooping this low, but Congressman Jim Matheson, your father would be as disgusted with you as Bush’s father is today with him. Both are greater men than their sons.
If I have missed something, please call me 801.274.0882 and explain. I will top post your response.
I saw your press release (excuse). It didn’t fly with my 12th grader niece. It doesn’t fly with me. I can only assume you are calling us all stupid or pandering to a Utah constituency you take for stupid. If they are that stupid, you could have voted against the bill and they wouldn’t have noticed which means either YOU are stupid, or your handlers are. I hope the latter is the case.
If you must indeed participate in the most heinous unforgivable undermining of our constitution to stay in office, the only conclusion one can reach is that you are a coward.
At what cost have you bowed to political pressure? At what cost have you sacrificed your integrity? At what price do you send the youth of Utah a message that contradicts everything they have been taught of the greatness of this land and our constitutional system of government?
I fully appreciate the choice you had to make; do the right thing at risk of losing political support, or take the easy road in hopes of fixing it later.
You took the easy road and I KNOW I speak for many when I offer your mother Norma our condolences. Jim had so much potential. He could have been something. But alas, he has become a product of politics and ego, drunk with power, at the expense of greatness. Don’t take it personally Norma. You did your best and you did well. Your son is, as all sons are, his own person, a victim of his own weaknesses, the times, and the devolution of class, honor, and integrity.
This is the most aggressive post I have ever made and for that I am sorry and sad. But Jim Matheson, you just supported the most egregious undermining of our Constitution possible. And you did it for politics.
At least have the grace to tell our youth you made a mistake and you are ashamed because our children are confused.
Voice of Utah has a great post here.
October 18th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
I’ve always had a problem voting for Jim. But as a democrat what choice did I have?
I don’t know what to do now. Lets be honest. He has sold out completely this time.
October 18th, 2006 at 11:06 pm
The last I heard, Rep. Matheson was 36 points ahead. First, Lavar Christensen isn’t exactly breathing down his neck. Second, does Christensen even support the Military Commissions Act? My humble opinion is that our congressman could easily afford to do the right thing.
October 19th, 2006 at 6:41 am
OneNephi, we used to feel we had no choice, either. But one advantage of Matheson having such a big lead is that a vote for the Green party candidate (our first ever) can send a message without a real risk that Christensen might end up winning.
October 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
Go ahead vote for the green candidated (whoever he / she may be - please give us a name), who knows, we might have a winner. In any case if X-tiansen pulls it out, at least he’s not responsible for THAT vote. What was Matheson thinking? What do they have over his head? Matheson is a Dem in name only and no doubt has loyalties that would surprize progressives.
October 19th, 2006 at 7:03 pm
Caveat Emptor is pretty with it. Indeed, what is the motivation for Matheslime’s tortue vote?
Answer: What is the connection to Israeli? After all, that is where the s & m tortures were developed. Feces soaked hoods, sexual humilitation. The israeli perfected this art long ago.
Hey–what is the connection to israeli? This Matheslime spend summer on a kibbutz learning to hate arabs?
Fill me in.
October 19th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
C.E.
The alternative goes by the name Bob Brister, running under the Utah Green Party. Primary platform of his campaign. The US military occupation of Iraq must end. Bring our Troops Home Now. Although Bob and I have our differences I have no question what his vote on the Military Commissions Act, the Iraq War, the largest top down tax breaks in history. Not just no but HELL NO!
We have a real opportunity to do something extraordinary here although I have my doubts.
October 19th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
oh yeah.
go to: http://www.bristerforcongress.org/
October 19th, 2006 at 8:35 pm
BOB (I really like that!) BRISTER. Go Bob!
October 19th, 2006 at 8:47 pm
The One Utah echo chamber has never been a place where reasonable people could disagree…we have to sacrifice Utah’s only national Democratic representative because he isn’t pure enough.
Cliff lost me when he called the administration Nazis in his first paragraph…
Unitary Anne cries a river that the “tortures” were created by the evil Jews…
One Nephi resorts to his old standby and just writes “fuck” as many times as possible so we’ll all know how passionate he is…
And everyone else decides to turn against the only legitimate alternative to the Republicans and now they’re crusading in the hopeless cause of the Greens.
I don’t know why Matheson deserted the party on this vote. Maybe he just doesn’t care that the Al Queda thugs are going to be made uncomfortable in their interrogations. If that is the way he was thinking I have a hard time faulting him for it. The outrage you guys display gives aid and comfort to Republicans who argue that Democrats aren’t serious about dealing with bona fide terrorists. Even Democrats who read this crap have a hard time believing we’re a serious alternative.
October 19th, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Oops…must return Matheson to the congress so that he can continue to represent us…Must return Matheson to the congress so tha…
How pure does a rep have to be before we scan our options? None of these jobs are to be taken for granted. None. They represent us or not. With this maladministration kicking the bottom out of 30sumptin% due to corruption, bad policy, and a rubberstamp ‘unitary’ congress, I think there may be an opportunity here. Just maybe. So why would Matheson play along?
And how about that Cannon? Makes me want to hurl.
October 19th, 2006 at 10:21 pm
Matheson is roughly my age. If he was studying any American history in college, at least it seemed to me, we thought the suspension of habeas was - you know – history.
Then he grew up in a family that jealously guarded the fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution.
Voting to suspend Habeas must have felt like a nightmare in slow motion “pulling that leverâ€, one more time for Bush, because 5.00001% of his constituency supports Bush.
Jim, your getting bad advice. You are getting your advice from a cynic.
Stand up. Take a deep breath. And just do the right thing. Start today.
I sure Ed Firmage would be happy to provide some clarity if your constitution weakens.
October 20th, 2006 at 9:15 am
Jeremy, sadly these days there is no hope of having a reasonable debate with those that support the president and his policies. If I were a Christian, and I do hold many of their values, by this time there is really nothing left but to SHUN the people that support what has been going on. So since shunning involves ignoring people in public, and privately planning to hopefully remove them from our reality.
Where are the bona fide terrorists? Chasing shadows we are. As a born German when you have an enemy that is serious, it is daily event. Generally that enemy can kill and wreck you on a daily basis, and if he is any good, ususally on your own soil. No terrorists can do anything to us without gross incompetence at the upper levels. Save the 911 lament, it has been 5 years. and many people worldwide do not believe the official conspiracy theory.
As for israelis and torture, their services are exactly who trained America in “humiliation torture” which is effective with arabs, but criminal nontherless. I can promise the idiots at Abu Graib didn’t figure out the imaginative tortures they carried out by themselves. Check this out and see if it sounds familiar.
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html
As for the echo chamber here it is far better than casting the truth, and all the relevant facts down the black hole of the minds of those that support the abomination occuring here and worldwide, at the hands of this administration.
I am creating a list of all those people that supported torture, bush, and subversion of the Constitution, that way there will be no place to hide for them when all the truth of this nightmare comes out. You are so glad I am no Robespierre, but then again there are plenty of Americans that could be.
And for those people that oppose bush, let ‘em eat cake.
October 20th, 2006 at 11:45 am
I’ve never heard the term “humiliation torture” and if the Israelis invented it, it’s the worst idea they ever had. The biggest cultural issue for most Arabs is the perception the rest of the world is out to humilate them. It’s the hottest of hot buttons. The worldwide reaction to the Abu Ghraib photos, especially in the Arab world, tells the story.
October 20th, 2006 at 12:29 pm
Humiliation torture keys on the cultural “hot buttons” and bares the victim to the worst thing he could ever experience based on his own conception of what he/she could imagine. They would rather die, than have it happen to them.
It has been the case that arab men after humiliation by women(think lyndie england, and focus on that last name, and wonder) have attempted or have succeeded in killing themselves. Most Americans that have never been out of the country imagine the tortures as somewhat harmless, and have a “get over it” mentality when it comes to something that in our culture would be bad, but no big deal.
I would refer these people to our own laws, where psychological abuse delevers much the same sentence to felons as physical abuse.
israelis’ invented this because physical torutre doesn’t work well on many arabs, the arabs simply would rather die than give over their friends to their enemy. Plus the America that supports isreals’ abominable practises looks the other way, because old style torture is frowned on by most civilised Americans(anyone), so because we are not bludgeoning people brainless, or pulling out their fingernails, or breaking bones, it’s all good…you get the picture.
After disgrace, arab men, can never be “men” again in their own mind. This crap has been going on since the 60’s in israel and is nothing new. Sooo…
“there is nothing new under the Sun, except history you don’t know” anon.
WE must be so proud as a Nation by now. Think of our allies and their practises, and what we tolerate from them in the name of security, then when we like it, and learn it, commit the acts ourselves. It is small wonder that Europe, that has lived torture hell over and over, have finally come to their senses and rejected our lead.
Jesus people, Jesus. Who would Jesus humiliate?, that’d be his bad Jewish brethren, that were incorrigible sinners in their day…. what about now, what about us?
October 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Now that we’ve established that israel is pure scum , that their spies have infilitrated this country and dominated the bush admin , let’s move to:
GOOGLE: +indyk +”israeli spy”
GOOGLE: +indyk +citizenship
It was Clinton who gave this foreigner and accused israeli agent u.s citizenship and then made him #3 at national security counsel. Get it? He had access to all of our best secret information .
I know, you don’t believe it. I didn’t believe it either until i called the u.s. state department to verify. You see, he then graduated to clinton’s ambassador to israel….where he…if you can believe this…lost his security clearance for giving intel to the israelis.
Google it dude, for your own edification.
And furthermore, WHO PROVIDED THE FAKED WMD INTEL?? our media (news fakers) just don’t want to touch that one. Despite the fact that it is the most important question, some say the only significant question, to arise to date.
IT WAS ISRAEL MORONS. IT WAS A CABAL DUDES. YOU’VE BEEN SNOOKERED. WAKE UP.
Upon request i will post the seven signs that one has become a FEMINIZED MALE. I hope none of your feminized males are offended. If so, you know what you can kiss, (no not that part dumbass, i am not a homo——)/.
October 20th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
I disagree that ‘reasonable debate’ = parroting the party line. We’re all entitled to our take on issues, whether we know anything about them or not. That’s the beauty of these forums. Back in the day, we had to shout from the street, and when there were enough of us, the powerholders began to take notice. I’ll grant any critic of bloggers who says that it’s not sufficient to keyboard ones dissent or blab on but even then, there can be rewards. Why just the other day some comercial troll posted some inane nonsense. I chased down the post so as to fault it’s irrelevance and discovered that it was tacked onto the bottom of a discussion of a diebold voting machines and the Funk fellah who exposed the machine’s weakness, thoughtfully contributed to by a ‘glowworm’ and a ‘farmdog’, both astute and informed people. (Where are they now?). I was glad I chased down that troll. It is true that contributing to this public is only a part of our efforts. We also need to get in to the streets (naked,if need be). Reasonable debate mus take a plethora of forms.
October 20th, 2006 at 11:57 pm
Jeremy,
I agree that there is far too much juvenile taunting going on here at One Utah, too much vulgar vitriol, and far too little effort to use rationality and reason to support opinions within the comments.
However, there is very valid reason for the outrage on the torture bill which Matheson signed. Permitting torture, even in mild forms, on alleged–and unproven–”Al Qaeda thugs” is not an effective nor ethical method by which to deal with “bona fide” terrorism. It will prove as futule and self-destructive as most of the conservative agenda. I explored this topic from the perspective of our shared faith on my own blog:
http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/torture/
Being serious about dealing with terrorism has nothing to do with showing we’re tough through interrogation. We would show a more serious determination to deal with terrorism by exploring the roots of terror, understanding why people turn to terror, and then trying to end the conditions that lead people to turn to terror.
I don’t care whether or not Matheson is a pure Democrat, as I’m not a Democrat myself. But I AM a passionate liberal, who would like a choice which differs from the run-of-the-mill conservatism served up by the Republicans who dominate politics in this state. When Matheson’s congressional record is remarkably similar to that of Rob Bishop (by most measures, among the most conservative in the House of Representatives), there is certainly reason to wonder if Matheson offers us that choice.
October 21st, 2006 at 12:18 am
I tend to ignore much of the crass criticisms and derision that go on here, but I think a stand must be made here. I do not believe any and all critiques of Israel should be reflexively condemned as anti-semitism. I certainly am no big fan of the methods Israel uses in its defense, and have written critically of its actions on this blog. But I’m certainly no believer in the Protocols of Zion either. There is a big difference between critical analysis and hate-mongering. That line has been crossed by Unitary Anne. The sort of derision and hyperbole being used ill-serves both your argument and the cause of ethical standards which you are presumably championing. I don’t want any part of it.
October 21st, 2006 at 8:48 am
it would be nice if derek staffanson could point to one factually inaccurate remark. I honestly believe that saddam’s 12 y.o. grand daughter could kick derek’s sissy ass, which is just another sign that amerikkka is in big trouble.
it is difficult for your average “eduacted american” i.e stupified go—, to overcome a lifetime of pro israel indoctrination. You reflexively believe that israel was/is (pick your poison): ordained of god, populated by people who are smarter than anyone else, entitled to rule over the earth, entitled to take land by conquest (when it is awar crime for anyone else), jentitled to deference in every regard so atone for the crmes of germans in ww2, heroes of entebbe, courageous fighers (in tanks against lightly armed civilians, sometimes just armed with rocks).??
Go ahead b—-, give us one factual inaccuracy instead of being a feminzied wimp whose feeewings hab beeen hort.
Just ask yourself: How many pro israel sympthy tv productions (and movies) have you been exposed to. How many times have you watched the Holocaust.
This is now a recognized genre, and mandated in public schools in many states by…….people like derek.
Keep chuggin israeli d— derk but as for me and mine, amerikkka and honor comes first.
October 21st, 2006 at 8:51 am
FOR YOU FAKE PATRIOTIC, WARMONGERING, ISRAEL PROTECTING ANTI AMERICAN TRAITOR SCUM:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/
After Pat’s Birthday
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Posted on Oct 19, 2006
Courtesy the Tillman Family
Pat Tillman (left) and his brother Kevin stand in front of a Chinook helicopter in Saudi Arabia before their tour of duty as Army Rangers in Iraq in 2003.
By Kevin Tillman
Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.
It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.
Much has happened since we handed over our voice:
Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples†in the military.
Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.
Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.
Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.
Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.
Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
Somehow this is tolerated.
Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow†was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.
Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,
Kevin Tillman
October 21st, 2006 at 9:09 am
“by way of deception, shall we make war”
israels’ mossads(intelligence arm)
If the arabs had done such a thing to US as isreali operatives, where Derek, would you stand? We have killed for their lies. They have manipulated our free Constitutional Republic, and have compromised our leaders.
Even New Zealand has terminated foreign relations with israel, due to mossad spies assuming their citizens identities(stealing bedridden citizens passports to commit crimes anywhere with assumed indentities), and making some un savory plans to depose Helen Clark their PM, for not supporting israel in its human rights violations and consistant breaches of international law. Go Helen, compared to ol’murderer she is something else.
Peoples patience is wearing thin with the israelis bs. Everything Anne says is true in her post, so what if she has a little emotion contained within the message? There were no slurs I could see.
Well Derek if you want no part of it, then leave the truth to the grownups. If it was up to me I would end dual citizenship tomorrow, for all nations. You are either an American citizen or something else, you cannot be both. WE American citizens no longer trust those will dual loyalties.
Once you swear the Oath of citizenship you have agreed to forsake all allegiences to foreign governents, princes, and potentates. We have traitors and pure enemies that have wormed into our leadership, and not just isrealis.
Wolfowitz, Libby, Pearle, the primary architects of the war in Iraq are all dual passport israelis’. The war is for israel, as will be the war on Iran if it goes forward. Expect to lose, everyone is fed up. Israel has no friends anymore, and sympathy is wearing thin. Hell even Jews know it, which is why many of their youth are emigrating(that means leaving).
October 21st, 2006 at 9:13 am
Been hibernating while the prosepect of nuclear winter bodes over the horizen. Go Kim, I need the energy…
October 21st, 2006 at 9:52 am
Cassandra, I strongly oppose much of Israel’s foreign policy/defense agenda, both past and present. I believe that Wolfowitz’s interests are often not those of the U.S. I believe that the war on Iraq was based on deliberate deception by this administration in order to further a number of different agendas, some of which may have involved our intimate relationship with Israel.
But calling Israel “scum,” as Unitary Anne did, is completely unproductive and untrue. I have no love for the Likud or Kadima parties, but they are not Israel. There are plenty of factions within Israel which are very vocal in their opposition to the government’s immoral actions. To label the entire nation “scum” based on their defensive actions is no more justified than to label the U.S. scum based on the actions of the current administration or the Republicans in general. We can be critical of Israeli policies where criticism is justified, but lets not be ridiculous in scapegoating them for all our problems or bad decisions.
Flame on if you wish. I’m going back to ignoring trolls.
October 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pm
Unfortunately in both instances the SCUM has risen to the top and now becomes the most obvious feature of both of our nations. Anyway, save the pc crap, you are defined by your governments actions and history, believe me I know as I was born German and lived with the actions of people I never knew, commited decades before. There is no escape from the judegement of the world.
I don’t call them scum, but I do call them what they are, traitors and criminals, and in my defense I missed the reference to scum, and anyway she was refering to Americans that support the leadership scum in israel that have allowed rendition and have taught torture. It’s great to have friends isn’t it Derek?, how “bout you and I go skin some live frogs, like our dear leader did as a kid.
Are you kidding? After the last episode in Lebanon we need isreal like a hole in the head. I don’t blame them for all our problems I blame us,and israel is as much a part of the US, as anyone.
I have disposed of name calling Derek, and have moved on to shunning individuals that make excuses for what is, and has been going on.
October 21st, 2006 at 5:54 pm
For the first time ever, this liberal is not going to merely punch the democrat hole and be done with it (or the electronic version of “punch”). I’m going Green on Matheson (cause the result will be the same) and I’m going Green (or some other third party) on Ashdown (cause the result will be the same).
Regardless, I have separate static lines set aside for Hatch and Cannon (and Buttars, too) and look forward to “climbing” with the boys one day!
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Rove is a genius!
I’m skeered. Really, really, skeered.
Actually, Matheson could fish this out if he would just see the writing on the wall and redeem his war and torture votes with some heartfelt criticism of the admin. I don’t see this happening.
November 16th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
A Treatise on Illegal Enactments
Because our congress apparently has not the will to stand up to the illegal bush regime, and continues to pass illegal mandates, in the form of statutory enactments, this does not and cannot make them Constitutional. Further, it is noted that committing crimes in the name of the law does not excuse the perpetrators of those acts.
Qnicquid est contra normam recti est injuria. 3 Buls. 313
Whatever is against the rule of right, is a wrong.
We the People retain and claim all of Our God Given Rights, whether they be they documented as Sovereign, Common Law, Declaration of Independence, or Constitutional. Concerning laws of men, no matter it’s origin, whether it be a federal, state or city statute, if a statutory enactment is in violation of these Rights it is still under De jure Common Law and Constitutional Law not only wrong, but null and void ab initio.
The fact that our “representatives†vote to support these void actions makes things no better.
Malum quo communius eo peju
The more common the evil, the worse.
It would appear that we have been largely failed by those claiming to vest or safeguard our best interests, through their attempting to exchange our Rights for a poor mess of pottage.
Further it is our sacred and solemn obligation to speak out against tyranny and the attempts by power hungry, ruthless men to subvert our freedoms and rights, lest we be seen as consenting to it.
Qui non prohibit quod prohibere potest assentire videtur.
He, who does not forbid what he can forbid, seems to assent. 2 Inst. 305.
Qui non propulsat injuriam quando potest, infert.
He, who does not repel a wrong when he can, induces it. Jenk. Cent. 271.
Hence it is important for us as a unified body to speak up in protest.
In the effort to stop these obviously illegal and unconstitutional affronts on our Rights as Free Men, it seems obvious that we must continue to organize our opposition and efforts to preserve our Rights from attack and affronts from all sides. It is most curious that the men, who have apparently shown so little regard for our freedoms, have largely failed to lawfully file their Oaths of Office. This issue is important because if we have not a Lawful and a De jure body of men committed to upholding the Constitution, we must presume that they have taken vows and oaths to support another system; which appears to be a system of slavery and servitude that can be stealthily perpetrated upon the People.
Qui non obstat quod obstare potest facere videtur.
He, who does not prevent what he can, seems to commit the thing. 2 Co. Inst. 146.
When our congress in which our “representativesâ€, vote for illegal legislation in unanimous fashion, against the Cries of the People, they vote to abridge Our Rights.
From the actions of congress and the presidency, we can only conclude they are agreeing to forfeit their rights of privacy and due process, especially considering their actions to deprive others from these freedoms; I can only presume that they are volunteering for the same type of treatment. The Bush Administration is notorious in mandating that torture is a necessary tool, so that we can have the truth. This position makes me wonder, if torture is their own personal standard for being truthful with the public on what they knew, planned or did in regard to not only 9/11 but Iraq as well? If torture is the required standard to obtain the truth from these men, then these men are not fit to serve our government in any capacity.
Volunti non fit injuria.
He who consents cannot receive an injury.
2 Bouv. Inst. n. 2279, 2327; 4 T. R. 657; Shelf. on mar. & Div. 449.
It seem our “representatives†that have voted for these things, are by their actions renouncing their own Sovereign Rights. But their pronouncements can only count for them and those who allow it, not the True Sovereign.
The greatest statement of irresponsibility is when our “congressmen†state they are passing these draconian enactments without having even read them. In a court of law, a judge would quickly inform anyone that their actions were neither prudent nor reasonable, if or when performed in this manner, hence I state these “men†have demonstrated that they are active betrayers of the people and not true representatives of their constituencies at large, especially when this happens over and over.
Rei turpis nullum mandatum est.
A mandate of an illegal thing is void.
Dig. 17, 1, 6, 3.
Malus usus est abolendus.
An evil custom is to be abolished. Co. Litt. 141.
Non faciat malum, ut inde veniat bonum.
You are not to do evil that good may come of it. 11 Co. 74.
Praetextu liciti non debet admitti illicitum.
Under pretext of legality, what is illegal ought not to be admitted. 10 Co. 88.
Through these irresponsible actions the American People, our Servicemen and those whom we have attacked without Truthful Justification are the Corpus Delecti – [“The body of a crime. The body (material substance) upon which the crime was committed.] Treason has been committed by our supposed “representatives†including the whole Bush Administration, as well. Deliberately misleading and or lying to the People is Treasonous and has cost over 30,000 lives counting both military and civilian caused directly or indirectly by this illegal incursion.
This administration has conducted a program of terror, fear mongering and manipulation and the actions mandated by the Bush Administration are marked by the appearance of extreme coercion and blackmail in ramming it’s many illegal enactments, provisions through congress and through the execution of miscellaneous executive orders has worked subvert the Rights and Freedoms of the People.
Que obstruit aditum, destruit commodum
He, who obstructs an entrance, destroys … convenience. Co. Litt. 161.
It appears that, “We the Peopleâ€, have now been repeatedly lied to, harassed and inconvenienced for questionable cause.
Equity suffers not a right without a remedy.
4 Bouv. Inst. n. 3726.
What are, or where are the remedies that are being offered to balance these draconian enactments?
If there is no remedy, our Law and Customs respecting the Dignity and Rights of Free Men are put into Peril. A Maxim of Law is that: When the law gives anything, it gives a remedy for the same. When the foundation fails, all fails. Where two rights concur, the more ancient shall be preferred.
Lex semper dabit remedium.
The law always gives a remedy. 3 Bouv. Inst. n. 2411.
This being the case, we need to keep the pressure on until we are given the remedies, demanded by principle of Law or these unlawful enactments must fall.
Regula pro lege, si deficit lex.
“In default of the law, the maxim rules.â€
Bouviers Law Dictionary, 1856, pg. 65.
Where there is a right, there is a remedy.
Ubi jus, ibi remedium.
1 T. R. 512; Co. Litt. 197, b; 3 Bouv. Inst. n. 2411; 4 Bouv. Inst. n. 3726.
Unless due process is reserved for everyone through an informed Jury of their peers, we are in peril.
It is better to restrain or meet a thing in time, than to see a remedy after a wrong has been inflicted.
Melius est in tempore occurrere, quam post causam vulneratum remedium quaerere 2 Inst. 299.
When a common remedy ceases to be of service, recourse must be had to an extraordinary one
Ubi cessat remedium ordinarium ibi decurritur ad extraordinarium. 4 Co. 93.
No one ought to depart out of the court of [equity] chancery without a remedy.
Nullus recedat e curi concellari sine remedio.
The law never suffers anything contrary to truth.
Contr veritatem lex numquam aliquid permittit. 2 Co. Inst. 252.
Error artfully colored is in many things more probable than naked truth; and frequently error conquers truth and reasoning.
Error fucatus nud veritate in multis est probabilior; et saepenumero rationibus vincit veritatem error
2 Co. 73.
Error of law is injurious
Error juris nocet.. See 4 Bouv. Inst. n. 3828.
An error not resisted is approved
Error qui non resistitur, approbatur.. Doct. & Stud. c. 70.
Being assent or silence has been largely heard from our “representatives and courtsâ€; we must conclude they abrogated or stepped down from their primal claim to protect the people, and through implication of either speech, silence or act, have become the instruments of systematic and conscious subversion and attack upon the Peoples Rights!
Failure by the National and or State Courts and Governments, to grant redress to the People or remedy theses affronts upon the Rights of the People, then belays or shows their lack of legitimacy in dispensing justice, fairness and equity in the land. Hence, We the People now move to uphold our Rights with Lawful Common Law Courts.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:20 am
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