isn’t borat a jew? A comedian, or a self hating jew? A profferer of hate speech?
I like this borat guy cuz he is all of them, and no one can touch him. go borat, you hateful bastard that is making money off these things, or… you self hating jew how could you?,… or a jew generating hate to mollify the jews themselves into helping erect their self fulfilling prophecy. Or just some semi talent getting rich in my country.
Keep in mind the entire show is just that. The rednecks didn’t really seem all that enthusiastic about throwing jews down the well, kind of had the tenor of a chore or something, no real joy in it I could see.
Okay, I get it. We’re not supposed to recall the FACT that virtually the entire neocon cabal (starters of irak war, fakers of wmd intel, penetrators of ameriki, among other crimes) are jews with strong ties (like…are these gentlemen secret agents) to Israeli.
Okay, if we want to be cool and get invited to liberal avenues whiner cocktail parties, we should all sneer at anyone with a brain and impose the party discipline line that says …. continue the war and never blame the Israeli.
Here is a series of questions for you smug liberal israel worshipers (those heroic warriors who can easily kill arabs with small arms by using usa army tanks, but who get their behinds reamed (i hope no one gets aroused) when facing a small hezbollah force):
1. Is israeli’s existence dependent on u.s. arms and $$$$ (treasure)?
2. Does public opinion affect (at least somewhat) the actions of the Congress of United States?
3. Is it essential to the survivial of Israeli that public opinion in USA favor israeli?
4. Would it be intelligence malpractice for israeli to leave the formation of public opinion in USA to pure happenstance?
The reality of the situation is that no one in Washington, whether in the Pentagon (top military brass, joint chiefs, etc) or in Congress, wants this Israeli proxy war against Iraq. Only those connected to the Israeli lobby want this war.
It is very important to know the identity of these pro-Israeli officials
within the administration in order to understand who is behind this
war-mongering and realizing that is serving Israeli interests, not American interests.
It is unfortunate that Bush has picked these people to these top posts. The sad fact for him is that in the instant that he decides not to go to war against Iraq, the Israeli lobby will bring him down, like they did to his father, a decade earlier.
Note: The Washington Institute for Near East Policy is one of the Israeli lobby’s “think tank.” Many of the Israeli lobby’s “experts” come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.
1). Richard Perle—-One of Bush’s foreign policy advisors, he is the
chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson’s office in the 1970’s after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.
2). Paul Wolfowitz—-Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle’s Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz is the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering.
3). Douglas Feith—-Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don’t agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one
International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is
representing Israeli interests. His firm’s own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith “represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer.” Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.
4). Edward Luttwak—-Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq.
5). Henry Kissinger—–One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger’s evil past, read Seymour Hersch’s book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes,
Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship, and more recently served as Serbian Dictator Slobodan Milosevic’s Advisor. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.
6). Dov Zakheim—-Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller, and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) for the Department of Defense. He is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended attended Jew’s College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York’s Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.
7). Kenneth Adelman—–One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his hatred or stupidity, he actually called Arabs “anti-Semitic” on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he
could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by
definition are Semites.
8). I. Lewis Libby —–Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff. The chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iraq. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president.
9). Robert Satloff—-U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby’s “think tank,” Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby’s “experts” come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.
10). Elliott Abrams—–National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based “Think Tank” Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State,handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua’s Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby
faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year’s probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration’s State Department.
11). Marc Grossman—–Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.
12). Richard Haass—–Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates going
to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department’s National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.
13). Robert Zoellick—–U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level
position.He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq.
14). Ari Fleischer—-Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad’s Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young
Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.
15). James Schlesinger—–One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department’s National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.
16). Mel Sembler—–President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.
17). Michael Chertoff —-Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department.
18). Joshua Bolten—-Bush’s Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.
19). Steve Goldsmith—-Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush’s Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.
20). Adam Goldman—–White House’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
21). Joseph Gildenhorn—–Bush Campaign’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.
22). Christopher Gersten—–Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary,
Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised Jewish.
23). Mark Weinberger—–Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax Policy.
24). Samuel Bodman—–Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.
25). Bonnie Cohen—–Under Secretary of State for Management.
26). Ruth Davis—–Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).
27). Lincoln Bloomfield—–Assistant Secretary of State for Political
Military Affairs.
28). Jay Lefkowitz—–General Counsel of the Office of Budget and
Management.
29). David Frum—–White House speechwriter.
30). Ken Melman—–White House Political Director.
31). Brad Blakeman——White House Director of Scheduling.
32)Bill Kristol…npr shill, and president of PNAC, project for a new American century. Basic template for an empire of invasion/preemption.
“Tis with the Jewish people, whose God is the Father of our savior, that we must stand with,…
…. however the above zionists could be thrown down the well, however that would ruin the well for everyone, so a simple tarring and feathering and then a kick in the arse to send them packing, that’d be fine with me. A good coat of tar mind you, so as to preservethe visage of a traitor for posterity.
“Tis not the color of their origins of their thoughts, and intentions, and treason, not enough to compel the People to wrath?
As Tom Paine said of the george the third, we have not the art of the Egyptians to preserve you in death, but we do have a method of preservation based upon the use of tar, and though the tarry sarcophagus is not as pretty, we Patriots will be sure to festoon your tarred shell with feathers so as to give you a reverential look, so desired by you all in life.
Don’t mormons stand with zionists that need to establish their promised(by jahweh) dominance of the holyland before Jesus returns?, and then they, Jews, must accept him or be destroyed. Isn’t that the rap?
Isn’t this what mormons believe what must happen before the 2nd coming? Isn’t it why they stand with israel against the muslim hoard of evildoers? In other words Jews, we support you utterly, but once the savior comes, join or die. Wonder what the bay-bee Jesus thinks of such contradictory, self serving notions of what he will do for believers.
Oh yeah, and the dead will be razed, they will certainly need a shave after laying all dead and funky lo these long years.
November 19th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
isn’t borat a jew? A comedian, or a self hating jew? A profferer of hate speech?
I like this borat guy cuz he is all of them, and no one can touch him. go borat, you hateful bastard that is making money off these things, or… you self hating jew how could you?,… or a jew generating hate to mollify the jews themselves into helping erect their self fulfilling prophecy. Or just some semi talent getting rich in my country.
Keep in mind the entire show is just that. The rednecks didn’t really seem all that enthusiastic about throwing jews down the well, kind of had the tenor of a chore or something, no real joy in it I could see.
November 19th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
Okay, I get it. We’re not supposed to recall the FACT that virtually the entire neocon cabal (starters of irak war, fakers of wmd intel, penetrators of ameriki, among other crimes) are jews with strong ties (like…are these gentlemen secret agents) to Israeli.
Okay, if we want to be cool and get invited to liberal avenues whiner cocktail parties, we should all sneer at anyone with a brain and impose the party discipline line that says …. continue the war and never blame the Israeli.
Here is a series of questions for you smug liberal israel worshipers (those heroic warriors who can easily kill arabs with small arms by using usa army tanks, but who get their behinds reamed (i hope no one gets aroused) when facing a small hezbollah force):
1. Is israeli’s existence dependent on u.s. arms and $$$$ (treasure)?
2. Does public opinion affect (at least somewhat) the actions of the Congress of United States?
3. Is it essential to the survivial of Israeli that public opinion in USA favor israeli?
4. Would it be intelligence malpractice for israeli to leave the formation of public opinion in USA to pure happenstance?
Google: +Indyk +”israeli spy”
November 19th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
This is the administrations handlers, were I able I would rout these people, rout them utterly… and surely pelosi will kiss their feet…
http://nowarforisrael.com
quote:
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Bush’s Israeli Lobby Advisors
The reality of the situation is that no one in Washington, whether in the Pentagon (top military brass, joint chiefs, etc) or in Congress, wants this Israeli proxy war against Iraq. Only those connected to the Israeli lobby want this war.
It is very important to know the identity of these pro-Israeli officials
within the administration in order to understand who is behind this
war-mongering and realizing that is serving Israeli interests, not American interests.
It is unfortunate that Bush has picked these people to these top posts. The sad fact for him is that in the instant that he decides not to go to war against Iraq, the Israeli lobby will bring him down, like they did to his father, a decade earlier.
Note: The Washington Institute for Near East Policy is one of the Israeli lobby’s “think tank.” Many of the Israeli lobby’s “experts” come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.
1). Richard Perle—-One of Bush’s foreign policy advisors, he is the
chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson’s office in the 1970’s after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.
2). Paul Wolfowitz—-Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle’s Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz is the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering.
3). Douglas Feith—-Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don’t agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one
International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is
representing Israeli interests. His firm’s own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith “represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer.” Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.
4). Edward Luttwak—-Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq.
5). Henry Kissinger—–One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger’s evil past, read Seymour Hersch’s book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes,
Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship, and more recently served as Serbian Dictator Slobodan Milosevic’s Advisor. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.
6). Dov Zakheim—-Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller, and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) for the Department of Defense. He is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended attended Jew’s College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York’s Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.
7). Kenneth Adelman—–One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his hatred or stupidity, he actually called Arabs “anti-Semitic” on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he
could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by
definition are Semites.
8). I. Lewis Libby —–Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff. The chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iraq. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president.
9). Robert Satloff—-U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby’s “think tank,” Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby’s “experts” come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.
10). Elliott Abrams—–National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based “Think Tank” Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State,handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua’s Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby
faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year’s probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration’s State Department.
11). Marc Grossman—–Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.
12). Richard Haass—–Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates going
to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department’s National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.
13). Robert Zoellick—–U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level
position.He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq.
14). Ari Fleischer—-Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad’s Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young
Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.
15). James Schlesinger—–One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department’s National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.
16). Mel Sembler—–President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.
17). Michael Chertoff —-Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department.
18). Joshua Bolten—-Bush’s Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.
19). Steve Goldsmith—-Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush’s Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.
20). Adam Goldman—–White House’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
21). Joseph Gildenhorn—–Bush Campaign’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.
22). Christopher Gersten—–Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary,
Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised Jewish.
23). Mark Weinberger—–Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax Policy.
24). Samuel Bodman—–Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.
25). Bonnie Cohen—–Under Secretary of State for Management.
26). Ruth Davis—–Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).
27). Lincoln Bloomfield—–Assistant Secretary of State for Political
Military Affairs.
28). Jay Lefkowitz—–General Counsel of the Office of Budget and
Management.
29). David Frum—–White House speechwriter.
30). Ken Melman—–White House Political Director.
31). Brad Blakeman——White House Director of Scheduling.
32)Bill Kristol…npr shill, and president of PNAC, project for a new American century. Basic template for an empire of invasion/preemption.
Dual citizenship must end.
November 19th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
“Tis with the Jewish people, whose God is the Father of our savior, that we must stand with,…
…. however the above zionists could be thrown down the well, however that would ruin the well for everyone, so a simple tarring and feathering and then a kick in the arse to send them packing, that’d be fine with me. A good coat of tar mind you, so as to preservethe visage of a traitor for posterity.
“Tis not the color of their origins of their thoughts, and intentions, and treason, not enough to compel the People to wrath?
As Tom Paine said of the george the third, we have not the art of the Egyptians to preserve you in death, but we do have a method of preservation based upon the use of tar, and though the tarry sarcophagus is not as pretty, we Patriots will be sure to festoon your tarred shell with feathers so as to give you a reverential look, so desired by you all in life.
November 19th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
Borat never came to Utah, and now I know why– we wouldn’t be much of a challenge, it would be way too easy.
November 19th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
Don’t mormons stand with zionists that need to establish their promised(by jahweh) dominance of the holyland before Jesus returns?, and then they, Jews, must accept him or be destroyed. Isn’t that the rap?
Isn’t this what mormons believe what must happen before the 2nd coming? Isn’t it why they stand with israel against the muslim hoard of evildoers? In other words Jews, we support you utterly, but once the savior comes, join or die. Wonder what the bay-bee Jesus thinks of such contradictory, self serving notions of what he will do for believers.
Oh yeah, and the dead will be razed, they will certainly need a shave after laying all dead and funky lo these long years.