Free Speech v Fair and Balanced v Lets Get Real

As anyone who traverses the blogoshpere knows, few if any political blogs attempt to be bipartisan by inviting contributing authors without regard to political pursuasion. Frankly, OneUtah is the only one of which I am aware.

Our vision for OneUtah is to replicate the town square. Contributing authors are qualified exclusivily by their demonstrated, responsible commitment to civil society, in other words people who have earned the right to be heard. In the year OneUtah has exisited, I have invited many far to the right of me to contribute freely as authors. None have risen to the challenge until recently.
Our newest authorFrank Staheli Frank Staheli has served as a council person somewhere in Utah (I forget where at the moment, and he is too modest to put it in his profile) and has also served his country in Iraq. Frank is a model Utahn; earnest, honest, fair, and unusually articulate.
But sometimes, Frank pisses me off beyond belief with some of the things he says over on his blog Serving In Iraq, but nonetheless a valued author on OneUtah with free reign to top post here at will. interestingly, his posts here on OneUtah have been moderate by comparison to his ‘MilBlog. This fact causes me no small amount of curiosity.

Without trying to be provocative, I’m going to suggest that Frank knows that some of the posts he flies over on ServingInIraq would be met with loud dissent on OneUtah for their attack-the-messenger canard-heavy, fear-pedaling kind of tactics that so predictably stimulate the tribal antennae of the warmongers and far-right and now common in the right-wing blogosphere. But I’ll let the reader be the judge of that.

One post in particular ServingInIraq inspired this thought – actually several…Ok, most. But I will address just one for now. 655,000–Why Didn’t I Think of That?

(btw: 655,000 is the estimated number of Iraqis killed since we invaded based upon the most comprehensive unbiased scientific study done to date.)

Lets look at Franks first clearly cynical paragraph.

The journal Lancet, that paragon of truthfulness and impartiality, recently ‘reported’ that at least 655,000 Iraqis have been killed since the American invasion in 2003. I never put a pencil to the numbers, but Common Sense Political Thought has.

Lets look at the statement. Here’s what Wikipedia says about The Lancet Journal

The Lancet is one of the oldest peer-reviewed medical journals in the world, published weekly by Elsevier, part of Reed Elsevier. It was founded in 1823 by Thomas Wakley, who named it after the surgical instrument called a lancet, as well as an arched window (”to let in light”).

The present editor-in-chief is Richard Horton. The Lancet takes a stand on several important medical issues – recent examples include criticism of the WHO, rejecting the efficacy of homoeopathy as a therapeutic option and its disapproval of Reed Elsevier’s links with the arms industry.

Here’s what Common Sense Political Thought says ‘about’ themselves.

This is the political website of Ken Vermillion and Dana Pico, mostly conservative, sometimes not, usually Republican, but not always. We believe in the Bill of Rights, we believe in capitalism, and we believe in an aggressive foreign policy. Political correctness will not be found here.

I can’t even begin to figure out how to explain to Frank how utterly irresponsible it is to impugn the veracity of long-standing responsible scientific journal long guided by people, like Frank, who have a strong sense of civic duty and hold themselves to the highest standards of rigorous scientific peer review in favor of Ken and Dana’s uninformed homegrown dribble.

Would Frank prefer to defend our country using technology tested by Ken and Dana instead technology developed by the kind of scientist who pass muster with Lancet? Would Frank prefer our soldiers serving in Iraq be treated in hospitals run by people chosen by Ken and Dana or doctors and researchers whose training is guided by a scientific community tripping over themselves to achieve peer review from Lancet?

Nuf Said?

Lastly, I’d like to review the reasoning at over at Common Sense Political Thought for why the 655,000 is obviously ‘exaggerated’.

Even if you take the number of deaths at face value given by the United Nations for the month of October 2006, and multiply it by the number of months that Coalition Forces have been in Iraq, it doesn’t even come close to 655,000.

I simply won’t attempt to characterize that logic for fear of insulting my good friend Frank, because I do appreciate him and he can take it. Frank IS a thoughtful man with a good heart. And he gives me clues.

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on December 14, 2006 - 9:39 am

    Frank is thoughtful and well-intentioned, and this comes across in everything he writes. I will read his posts with interest. I think he’s already halfway there in terms of recognizing the failures of the Bush administration. This morning on MSNBC, I was amazed to hear Armstong Williams, the prototypical Bushbot, severely criticizing Bush’s conduct of the Iraq war. If Williams is persuadable, then anyone is.

  2. #2 by Frank Staheli on December 14, 2006 - 10:31 am

    Cliff: I appreciate your critique and challenge, because I am (usually–sometimes I slip) in this thing to find out the truth, and hopefully whatever the truth turns out to be, I hope I can take it (maybe with a spoonful of sugar). As this is a blog about Utah, I don’t post things about Iraq here. I have, however, when it seems to fit, (or in the occasional fit of shameless pluggery) linked to several posts on my site in comments to various posts on this site. I’m not sure what you mean by “Attack the Messenger”, unless you are specifically referring to Lancet and not a bunch of other posts on my blog. As my other blog (warning: shameless plug to follow) Simple Utah Mormon Politics suggests, I look at things in a simplistic fashion. So my logic about the exaggeration of the 655,000 count is to me very logical, but I haven’t earned my Certificate of Perfection yet. (Are you suggesting that the United Nations or the government is not reporting all the deaths? or is there some other explanation?–I didn’t read the Lancet article, just comments on it from internet news sources.)

    Incidentally, my thoughts are also very colored by my religion as I try to tie current events to what I think are their equivalents in the Book of Mormon, etc.

    Richard: About Bush–(more than “halfway”!) Thanks, for your kind words. I’ve mentioned before (in addition to the fact that I didn’t vote for him–did I mention that before? ;-) ) that I didn’t agree with Bush’s assessment that we should attack Iraq. That being said:

    -We are there, the Iraqi people trusted us to help them overcome the Saddam era, and in my opinion we are now failing them.

    -I continue to analyze the situation, not clearly understanding it all, and that may cause my opinions about Iraq to vacillate from time to time. But my opinion about George Bush (Sr. and Jr.) as the wrong presidents for our country has never vacillated. We should deserve better, but apparently we don’t.

  3. #3 by Cliff on December 14, 2006 - 2:16 pm

    Hi Frank,

    I gotta make this quick.

    1. By “Attack the Messenger” I meant Lancet.

    2. This blog is not about Utah so much as Utah voices (from Utah). btw: Iraq IS a Utah issue is it not?

    3. Your logic about the 655k IS flawed. It is the same as this logic: If the police reported an average of 100 DUIs per month in the town of Shitferbrainsville, could we conclude that 1200 (12×100) people drive drunk in that city (assuming all DUI offenders go to jail for one year)?

    The official numbers are wrong. No systems in Iraq currently exist to determine such things. Lancet employed a number of methods including going door to door. I have seen and heard a number of reports about morgues under reporting. Consider the simple fact that we continue to find graves. We cannot know how many we have not found. Lastly, we began bombing Iraq heavily months before the invasion. None of the ‘official’ numbers include Iraq death up until months AFTER the invasion. Remember ‘Shock and Awe’ do you imagine at least tens of thousands didn’t die in those fireworks?

    4. I would minimize the ecumenical parrallels in favor of source and fact checking. Its entirely likely God doesn’t really exist. I suggest hedging your bets. Bush doesn’t read the BOM.

    5. Its very important to know how many Iraqis we’ve killed. Here’s some math. Nmber of Potential Terrorists = Iraqi deaths x their friends and family.

    6. Ken and Dan are not an Internet news source.

    Thank you Frank, I really do appreciate you.

    Cliff

  4. #4 by Richard Warnick on December 14, 2006 - 2:59 pm

    On the subject of the Lancet survey, I think a lot of the debate has missed the distinction between “excess deaths” and civilian war casualties. Excess deaths are based on a comparison of the pre-war mortality rate with the rate in subsequent years. For example, someone who dies of a heart attack during curfew who would have lived if he could have been taken to a hospital is an excess death but not technically a war casualty. The methods used in the study are the same as the US government uses everywhere but Iraq.

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