Deanna TaylorGot Dark Skin? Watch Your Back
My first grandson entered the world on Sunday. I’m elated…..and worried at the same time. Elated over this new chapter in our lives, and worried because of the color of his skin. He is half peruvian (indigenous) and about 12% Portugese, with other stuff mixed in. He has a “brown” skin color.
So of course I think of his future when I read of agents that conducted the raid at the Swift plant in Logan, Utah determined who was an illegal immigrant by the skin color of the plant workers. Arrested was a dark-skinned worker who is actually a U.S. citizen. She was told by an agent, as she was being handcuffed, “Do you think it’s going to be cold in Mexico?”
Wow. All of you with darker than “white” skin: Watch your backs. If you thought America was your homeland, land of the “melting pot”, celebrators of diversity….think again.
December 15th, 2006 at 7:57 am
Consider for a moment that most if not all of us Americans reading this blog could not prove we are American citizens on a moments notice at work. And we already know that almost half of those rounded up in the Swift sting were legal.
This is an outrageous violation of all kinds of laws starting with racial profiling.
May your Grandson become the MLK of Latin Americans.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:51 am
As I mentioned in the Cold as ICE thread, in situations involving federal infractions you can be remanded(detained) until you can account for yourself. Immigration labor law is federal domain. As is the airport. These actions are happening in every airport, every day. There is no restriction as to where and when the federal officers can apply this. Wherever Federal guidelines must be followed they now can have access, and can act upon whatever evidence they have gathered. Never fear in the swift case there was plenty.
It’s in the Patriot Act.
If dems don’t repeal it, what hope can an illegal alien have of being served fairly when the very citizens of the country are now under law(Patriot Act)subject to the above conditions.
Have you ever had a problem at customs coming into the US? If you can’t account for yourself you get jailed until they figure it out. When it comes to immigration you really do not have the rights you think you have. It has been this way for a long, long, time. I know this as I have lived much of it personally. When I speak here it is from the law, though with regard to illegal aliens it has been little applied, but I have had it applied on me, and it is quite a shock after the leniency granted, this is over for illegals, as much as easy immigration for Europeans was cracked down on 20 years ago. Get the visa, be here legally, there is no longer any excuse, if you can’t, you can’t be here, period.
Read through the Cold as ICE thread, nothing I mention in it is hyperbole, it is in fact the standing law.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:30 am
This is a prime example of how law breaking illegal aliens harm legal immigrants. People who took the time to become citizens legally should be putting pressure on politicians to solve the illegal immigration problem so the innocent are not painted with the same brush as the lawbreakers. One thing I do not understand is why the business owners and the people who knowingly hire illegal workers not hauled off to jail themselves. Law breaking employers should be held accountable along side the illegal aliens. Its time we take the financial incentive out of hiring illegal workers by jailing, and severely fining employers. Lets tell these employers that if they break the law they risk losing their companies as well as their freedom.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:36 pm
glenn, I believe the USA PATRIOT Act has nothing in it to allow arbitrary arrest of anybody. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, on the other hand, empowers the government (unconstitutionally, IMHO) to declare anyone an “illegal enemy combatant” and detain them without charges and without access to the court system. Like they did to Jose Padilla and Yaser Hamdi, both American citizens.
December 15th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
Ken,
Your solution is fine, but are you ready to pay double for your McDonald’s cheeseburger?
December 15th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
During the dark days of our history when the United States condoned the practice of slavery, many of its advocates at the time warned that if the slaves were set free, or if the masters had to pay them, the price of goods would skyrocket. Slavery ended and the dire predictions of slave owners did not pan out. We hear the same refrain today. We need illegal immigrants to work for next to nothing or else the price of food and goods will skyrocket. I believe the protestations of today are as void in reality as the slave traders of old. Slavery hurt all workers because how could anyone compete for a job with a slave. The same goes for us. How can we expect to be paid high wages in this country when we now have to compete against those making next to nothing? The middle class is sinking in this country because illegal immigration is driving down wages for everyone.
Let’s not kid ourselves. Having Mexicans working in the fields for 18 hours a day far below the minimum wage is slave labor. So they get paid a pittance for it, big deal. Even slaves were given a roof over their heads and food to eat. Today’s slaves don’t even make enough to provide those things for themselves. We sometimes laugh at Mexican workers cramming themselves in into a pickup truck or several families living in the same home. Some say that it is just what Mexicans do. That’s another lie. The only reason they live like that is because they are not paid enough to live any other way.
Whenever I buy my cheep food at the supermarket I am supporting slave labor, Every time I buy the cheapest thing I can find I am cheating the workers that produced the product. They can never get a raise because the price I am willing to pay for a product will not support high wages. I can’t get a raise myself because to do so might cause others to have to buy the products from my employer at a higher price. The health of a nation is not based on the number of wealthy people but the strength of the middle class. It is middle class buyers that really stear our economy. It is us who spends the money and allows business to expand and hire more workers.
Yes frugality is a virtue, but when people are no longer willing to pay even the barest cost for the items they want then it ceases to become a virtue and becomes greed, and even theft of another. Is your cheap item worth the slave labor it took to produce it? That is a question you will have to answer with your own conscience.
Our greed for cheap has national security consequences. We have 12,000,000 plus illegal aliens in this country that our engaged in slave labor. The law of a slave is to escape his situation, even if it means violence. The Mexican’s in the field are going to demand more, all prosperous people do. After they get wise to the fact they are being exploited who next will we turn for our slave labor?
December 16th, 2006 at 12:10 am
And one wonders why the terrists are waiting to fight us, when we show. It’s all about WE the people, and those we allow to rule us, and what we would ignore. terrabull.
Fuel the, truck,boat,and the playthings, and let’s got to Powell.
December 16th, 2006 at 7:32 am
In effect, we still have slavery, it’s simply had its format tweeked a tad. Just fon’t let it be me.
Glen, I used to pump gas at the Rainbow Bridge marina, and havent been back in such a long time. If you really are planning a trip, surely there’s room for a small family of stow-a-ways.
December 16th, 2006 at 7:55 am
I have to take out a loan to fuel the 460 cid jet boat. Actually it is my image marker of why nothing will change, if you can haul the boat to Powell, and burn fuel willy nilly, there are no shortages, and global warming has nothing to do with burning fuel. If it was any way true the activity would be checked. It isn’t. Just pony up the money. Gas 2.08 in CO. WFO club. Wide *ucking open club, like most of Muricah. Pedal down, throttle up.
December 16th, 2006 at 9:04 am
Richard, you are not arrested you are detained, if you cannot prove your status you are then arrested, if later you prove it you are free to go. Obviously there is as much latitude given to the officers as required.
In the patriot act, federal officers can now detain anyone thought to be violating federal law, based on evidence collected. Even if you are innocent, you must prove your status. The immigration officials can now ask anyone, at anytime, to produce the proof they are who they claim and are legal to be here. The patriot act is huge, read the immigration changes made in it. The Patriot Act is now the LAW OF THE LAND, approved by a bi-partisan dictatorship. How do illegals rate in that, when we ourselves no longer have the rights we believe we did? Answer: THEY DON’T.
You no longer have the rights you imagine.
December 16th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Deanna… we Latinos with darker skin, African Americans and others have always realized we had to watch our backs. Additionally, those among us with accents also are careful not to talk too loudly in public.
Ken, you are so right on with regard to slaves and slave wages. An interesting aspect in all of the ‘war on illegal immigrants’ is that is has backfired in large part. It used to be that undocumented Mexicans would come and go often in sync with the harvest seasons. They didn’t want to LIVE here.. why would they? Here they are maltreated, ignored and abused. Granted, they make more money here so many would tolerate these abuses for a time, save their money and go home….maybe prepare to come again if and when they needed. Current immigration hysteria has militarized the border that those who are now in illegally, can’t afford to go and come again so easily - can afford because of the higher economic costs or the higher security costs - that they stay. So, instead of controlling illegal immigration here, we’ve forced a sub-class to remain…. and further in the shadows.
The US needs to increase it’s numbers of applicants who get in legally to meet our legitimate needs, so the ‘pull’ of American demand for labor doesn’t draw them illegally. Also, the US needs to steamline the process so it doesn’t take a lifefime - ok, i’m exagerating, but not much - to wait to get in which also causes folks to break the law.
Glenn, I really agree with you on why terrorists want to due us harm. Our country was built on admirable principles established in the Constitution and especially in the Bill of Rights. We became a wealthy nation and have now lost our focus. Sure, we TALK the same high and mighty principles, but we PRACTICE self interest. Our security isn’t focussed on our people… though, that’s what we SAY. Our government is mostly concerned with the profits to big business that are lost via terroristic attacks. We lost sight of our first love and fallen for the mistress of profits. We’ve sold our birthright…. and it will be difficult, if not impossible to get it back.
December 16th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
Sadly Lee there are no historical examples in my study of history that exhibits an empire crawling its way back to virtue and prominence after so precipitous a fall of moral and practical courage.
The “sub class” will be rounded up in due time. I figure it will take about 3-4 years, about the interval that most Americans get speeding tickets and traffic violations. Once that happens, once decided, an illegal alien will be sent home. After all they are all driving around ya know. Most with no car insurance. Due to this CO. dropped no fault insurance last year, and prices for auto insurance is up 25%. Another benefit of illegal immigration.
I will just love to see the democrats now pass “immigration reform” based on amnesty. What do want to bet we won’t hear anything about for a while. The American people want this ENDED, as much as iraq!
Gee dems, you “aint gettin us out of the war, you ‘aint dealing with immigration, you ‘aint gonna get re-elected.
December 16th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
Glenn, you clarify that people are “not arrested you [only] are detained” unless or until you prove your status. So simplistic, however, YOU won’t be detained, but I will. I and many who look like me for no other reason but for the fact that we “look like” (fill in the blank, here:) “illegals”/terrorists/homosexuals/etc. Not that YOU or anyone else need to be concerned … and besides, as many are known to say, “if you’ve got nothing to hide, what’s the problem?” Read the stories of folks who were arrested, not detained, ARRESTED in Georgia recently. Also, read the cases of American citizens who were DEPORTED because they “looked like illegals”. Never mind the fact that some couldn’t even speak Spanish but were deported. But again, what’s a little inconvenience if you’ve got nothing to hide, right?
Yea, riiiiiiiight! “let them eat case”, right? Reality is blinding… sad but true.
December 16th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
That is nonsense, in any case where this has occured to me, and it has, EVERYONE must produce their lawful and valid documents. I have crossed the border now many times, it is irrelevant what you look like. If you don’t have valid ID or their are any questions, you go to” the room” for further in depth grilling. You are seemingly so caught up in race issues you do not know what the real situation is.
If you are an American citizen and you cannot prove it and get deported, you are either a basket case, or need looking after. Where were the supposed Americans sent to if I might ask?
As a resident alien growing up, I was required to report my whereabouts every 6 months to INS, you also were REQUIRED to have your alien card on your person while out and about at ALL TIMES!
Once again, unlawful behavior by the officers is their offense, not the issue at hand which would be.
ps: Do you know me Lee? I am for all intents and purposes black with white overtones, and a cross dressing female.
What I am describing to you is the new reality for everybody, you will not be able to claim any right to privacy when confronted with situations involving federal domain and officers and their actions within their duty.
December 17th, 2006 at 9:48 am
I understand and agree with your points regarding identification. Too bad you think I am “seemlingly so caught up in race issues” I don’t know the real situation….. the “real situation according to YOUR perspective. This is largely an issue of perspective; perspective about the law, those enforcing it, and those upon whom it is being enforced. You say my arguments are “nonsense” because (and then you go on to say) in YOUR experience…. that hasn’t been your experience.
My family comes from the mountains of Northern New Mexco since long before it was United States. We predate the Pilgrams’ landing on Plymouth Rock. Once my parents and various uncles took my grandmother Juarez, just across the border from El Paso for a day of sight seeing. Since my grandmother’s accent was so strong, they almost couldn’t get her back into the US as no one thought of taking her documents. This was 20 yrs ago. I could tell of several other times, both personal and anecdotal of family and friends with similar situations. Fortunately for you, the government hasn’t yet demonized cross dressing blacks.
Granted, in this day and age, documentation is required both because of heightened security issues as well as all of the hysteria surrounding illegal immigration, I do grant you that. But none of us have been terrorists and we get wrapped up in the hysteria surrounding undocumented workers, not YOU. I can assure you that blonde, blue-eyed, returned missionaries with no hint of accents do not get stopped for ID checks. Similarly, Canadians are the 2nd largest country of origin of “illegal immigrants” but there doesn’t seem to be the loud outcry to shut down the northern border - until only recently and only because the hypocracy was so glaring - and even then, not nearly the same. Why is that? Well, admittedly, there are several reasons, nevertheless, it is ironic wouldn’t you admit?
Believe me, I’m well aware of the “new reality” for everybody. It’s so sad that for security reasons our right to privacy is so insecure. We’re really not that far apart, Glenn. But because you don’t see something doesn’t mean it’s not there. And because others have experienced something you haven’t, again, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
December 17th, 2006 at 10:02 am
Glenn,
Some of your arguments seem a harshly legalistic, others more principled. I wonder, when push comes to shove where you would have them meet.
You also appear to have a sense of some injustice in immigration law, but then you use a literal legalistic arguments to support some points. I’m sure it’s completely clear in your mind however, as I detect zero doubt in your confidence about your strong opinions.
But I must point out a flaw in your logic. You said, “I have crossed the border now many times, it is irrelevant what you look like.” If you are white and your passport is well stamped, I must suggest that your conclusion, “it is irrelevant what you look like” is not well supported by your premise, having crossed many times.
Are you white per chance? What border do you cross? Do you walk, bus, fly?
Do you ever doubt yourself, or do you wake up every morning still more confident in your paradym?
December 17th, 2006 at 10:18 am
Right on, Michelle! You go, girl! You said it much better than I, and in so much more concise of a manner.
December 17th, 2006 at 11:18 am
Lee, you seem to think that in circumstances where federal officers are seeking out illegals they discriminate by skin color. Well maybe in Utah, which is about the most racist place I have been, and that includes racism against whites by minorities. It shows in your perspective quite obviously Lee.
Uh Lee, what has not been my experience? Do you know me or are you psychic?
Michelle, the(my) circumstance has nothing to do with race. At the Canadian border for example, if you say you are visiting for more than a week, you have to SHOW YOUR MONEY, they will if any questions remain check the vaildity of your credit cards . If you have family in Canada, you must prove that you have funds to stay, and means(money, job) in the US, or they won’t let you in. They go as far as calling your employer, so please do not talk about something you seemingly know nothing about.
If you are traveling with children and cannot produce ID for them, and cannot prove parent or guardianship, you cannot be let in, and American authorities are informed as to the situation before you are permitted to leave the Canadian customs area. You will then have to explain yourself before being allowed into the US. RACE, skin color is irrelevant.
In the 40 trips I have made to Canada with my vehicle, I have been pulled over without cause by the RCMP some ten times,to just check up on me, a known foreigner, due to my plates. Obvious profiling. Too bad, it is very effective. I have never had problems, it will however keep you a non resident, non citizen on your toes.
Though Canadians are here illegally in numbers, finding them is more of a challenge, as most have means upon entering and SPEAK ENGLISH! If you wish to be a successful immigration dodger the inability to speak English is a big flag in checking you the rest of the way out. So illegals do yourself a favor, learn english, though that would be HARDER than actually figuring out how to come here legally.
If you have your legal documents no one can mess with you. I know it is hard to believe, but at the border, and this is anywhere, you HAVE NO CIVIL RIGHTS! You have no right to remain silent if you wish to gain entry. You will be legal. known, and truthful, or you won’t get in. Very simple.
I am confidently within my perspective because I have lived it, I have also studied the law, and all are to be equal in it. Harshly legalistic? Did we pass these laws so we could ignore them? If you are undocumented , there is no excuse for you, NONE, other than stupid is, as stupid does.
Lee; I can assure you that nobody gives a crap where you and your family came from, where you live is now the United States. The tories are living in Canada because they lost the Revolutionary War. Latinos(mexicans) lost the war with the States, so they do not live in mexico anymore if in US conquered teritory. Now the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and immigration law is part of it. Where your ancestors came from is meaningless in this, especially when it comes the rest of US citizens. If you have indigenous claims, there are avenues for that.
Michelle, in traveling to Alaska many times I often had riders to help pay for gas. They were hispanic, black, asian, white. No matter what when you cross, no id, no entry. If you had a DUI no entry, no way. No one was waved through, that is long over. In fact the Canadian data base is so advanced that they know if for example you are latino, where you are from, if you have been deported from the US if illegal, and your tendencies they have recorded. This is why there are virtually no illegal alien latinos in Canada. They PROFILE! The strongest profile for Canadian customs?
Young people, with camping gear and no visible means of support, they are risks to remaining in Canada, no entry if explanation doesn’t wash.
So please the 2 of you don’t be so presumpteous as to think you know what other people experience. You both have lived in Utah, the most racist state I know of, too long.
As I discovered when I lived there in Utah, Just because the person you are dealing with in Utah is a Federal officer, the incestous nature of Utah guarantees that often the person you are dealing with is of the church and federal guidelines and the federal law is often not followed by the people charged with the job due to their PERSONAL prejudices. Same where ever you go, just worst in Utah.
Michelle: The principled arguments are simple expressed thoughts, not the law. They meet at the written law and the evidence against the violators. What else is there? Any leniency can be considered at SENTENCING! I have crossed many international borders, and have done so with officials with guns in their hands. What you think does not matter there. Only a proper ID and a living within the law of the nation you are inflicting yourself upon. You don’t have rights to alter or destroy any of the arrangements in democratic countries you visit, or work illegally in. You need to be a citizen to do that. The Homeland Security office is open 5 days a week, 8 hours a day.
I would not write any of this if I was not confident. I am a naturalised American and have sworn the Oath, to dispose of ALL loyalties to former nations I was citizen of, and any fealty to Kings, princes and potentates. If you have done this, your allegience is with the United States, and the Constitution that you also swear to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. If you promote illegality and ignorance of the existing law, and elections and democracy will not change it to what you would like, but you still promote or ignore the violations, you have fallen into the category of a “domestic enemy”. This applies only to federal domain, all other powers falling to the states(10th amendment)
Immigration control is Federal domain, and ever will be as long as the US survives.
PS: I am a single white het male, possibly the most discriminated against group in the country. No lobby for us. Nothing like la raza, the race, with the motto, “for the race everything, for those outside the race, nothing”. Yeah, that is really something we want in America, we subsidize this racist organization with US tax dollars. For those latinos I simply say, if you are to believe in reconquista, bring more to the game than a piece of paper.
December 17th, 2006 at 11:45 am
Michelle; After re-reading this multiple times, I still do not understand what you are saying.
But I must point out a flaw in your logic. You said, “I have crossed the border now many times, it is irrelevant what you look like.†If you are white and your passport is well stamped, I must suggest that your conclusion, “it is irrelevant what you look like†is not well supported by your premise, having crossed many times.
They do not need to see your passport in on the mexican border, but they can if they wish. My example is the Canadian border, every person entering must have an verifiable valid id, no exceptions. You are against profiling, I am not.
The customs people as overwhelmed as they are must profile at some level. When you went looking for your Christmas tree, did you buy one all dried up, missing needles?, after all the wrong tree could be a fire hazard, or simply a piece of crap, no I’m pretty sure you profiled the tree you chose.
Same goes for people entering the country. In fact upon trouble and my complaint, I was told by customs officials that I have absolutely no express RIGHT to enter the nation of Canada, except at the discretion of THEM!!!Even if all my ducks are in a row, you can be denied entry in Canada for no other reason that the official does not LIKE YOU, or perhaps your personality, maybe their spouse didn’t have sex with them last night, and they are just in a bad mood. This is the reality with regard to Canada.
America is easy, easy, easy, just try having your attitude in countries that are not interested in your brand of politics. Your rights in this area, are imagined. We are a refuge, as that kindness is abused you can expect American immigration to start acting like the rest of the world.
December 17th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
PS: Lee on the most accessed part of the Canadian border in Western Washington, weed smuggling is enormous. The US has installed a laser system that extends from the Pacific ocean to the heights of Mt. Baker, to the upper elevations and glacier. It is there to detect movement across the border, and is pretty sensitive, lots of cams now too.
Fortunately Canadian pot growers are pretty mellow, nothing like the meth and coke lords of mexico, that are enamored of machine gunning or hacking each other to death.
In every town on the west coast there is an illegal alien community, and contained therein is virtually always menbers of the mexican mob. They push the meth, and they are terribly violent, to everyone. This alone would make me force all illegal aliens to go home and reapply for entry from mexico. This lenient. If you have not seen what a meth murder scene is like, I can assure you it is a scourge, and latinos run it. I would become like Canada, you don’t have ANY express rights in their country beyond basic human rights, until you are a known quantity and LEGAL!!!
December 17th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
Glenn: For the record, I’ve never mentioned RACE but you have, several times. I question who has race on the mind.
Additionally, historical geneology is provided to give a perspective. I was born in the US, as were my parents, their parents, the back for several generations. That said, I am still lumped among the “Mexican immigrants.” You call it what you want, but you can’t ignore that being an American US citizen for many generations does little more than placate you.
December 17th, 2006 at 12:20 pm
If I go to mexico, denounce their government, wave my flag, complain about the racist castillian elite, sell drugs, work illegally, demand inclusion without benefit of law. How long does this last? It doesn’t, such actions are expressly against the law in mexico.
I would be in jail in about the time it takes to get a chalupa at taco bell.
December 17th, 2006 at 12:31 pm
I am not asking for you to be deported legal American citizen am I?
You are my fellow citizen, and any misunderstanding we have can be sorted out by our common language, and understanding of it based on our mutual obligations under the Law(the Constitution). This is not true of illegals, from any group, with regard to the obligations the Constitution has placed on, you by birth, me by consent.
You by making assumptions about me from my attitudes have assumed me to be somthing you do not know. If it isn’t racist it is at least bigoted.
YW; Deanna… we Latinos with darker skin, African Americans and others have always realized we had to watch our backs. Additionally, those among us with accents also are careful not to talk too loudly in public. These are absolutely racist sentiments.
December 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
Lee; YW ,That said, I am still lumped among the “Mexican immigrants.†You call it what you want, but you can’t ignore that being an American US citizen for many generations does little more than placate you.
I don’t understand, how does it placate me?
Your citizenship is of no greater value than a newly minted American that has sworn their Oath.
The latter could be more as it is sworn, and expressed without reservation, So help you God(non denominational,.. so help me, in the case of atheists)
It is why I encourage illegals to get legal and not wait, with the 5 years of constant American living they can become a citizen and claim the power of any of our founding fathers. Speaking English would help, though not a requirement. Imagine if I moved to mexico illegally and insisted on never learning Spanish, that would be stupid wouldn’t it? If I wished to integrate and make the most of my life there it would be the most obvious asset outside of money and legality that would improve my life there.
Maybe if there were less people from other countries and cultures that don’t want to integrate into American culture, would do so, there would be less of likelihood that you as an American of their decent, then would not be be lumped in so by their behavior by Americans of the common culture.
In this language is the determinant factor. If you cannot understand people, communication is difficult. Worse it often ends up that your translators have politcal agendas of their own. Common language is the #1 asset to settle differences within a country. As time passes and two groups have no possibility of free dialogue at will without this obstruction, misunderstanding results.
The obligation is on the people coming, not the people already there to learn the language. By not doing it, for whatever boneheaded reason or disability, it builds resentment, right or wrong it is human nature, and does not stop. We can understand that it is hard, but cannot understand the generational nature of this deficiency.
There is a rather either a nursemaid attitude in these immigrants that it is our burden, or it is disrespect?, or is simple ignorance? Lee help me out.
December 17th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Glenn,
I must remind you that drug dealing is not the exclusive domain of non-citizens, quite the contrary. Your mention of illegals fostering drug traffic is so hypocritical as to render undeserving of further consideration of any arguments put forth by by you.
I suppose desperate arguments require deperate tactics.
Do you wear your underwear beneath the tin foil hat on your head, or over the top to conceal it?
December 17th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
Cliff; I am referencing meth and organized crime, most of what I’m talking about qualifies for RICO status, and whatever you think, the mexican mob is running amphetamines up the western coast of the US, and USING the illegal alien community as cover.
Look into it, because it is verifiable, and a very serious problem. With the restriction of the product manufacture in this country due to ingredient purchasing laws(can’t get ephidrine) the majoraty of this crap is being produced in giant labs in mexico. The *hit is POTENT, and the people running this are all latino and heavily armed.
I have discussed it with both DEA people and Customs enforcement in Washington State. We all had made the same observations. It is happening, as is the absolute destruction that the drug wreaks on all communities involved, the human toll is nuts.
What’s desperate is ignoring it.
Watcha gonna do Cliff, moderate me?
December 17th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
I rarely wear underwear, but when I do it is usually something unusual.
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