Cliff Lyon“Neo Culpa” - Neocons Bail on Bush
As a last-ditch desperate attempt to save their own hides, the founding fathers of the neocon ideology are blaming Bush for screwing up. For those unfamiliar with the chicken hawks behind this illegal fiasco. They are Perle, Feith, Adleman, Frum, Woolsey, Cohen, Gaffney, Rubin, and Pletka
Strikingly absent from this Bush-bashing orgy is a mea culpa.
Our friends at A Soldiers Perspective are unlikely to read this article. To do so would confirm my oft-repeated claim that they alone still support Bush to the detriment of our country. To acknowledge this condemnation of Bush by the original architects of the war in Iraq would cry out for a formal apology from CJ, Cpl M, Patriot, CJ, Sue, Terri, and others for their hostile reaction to the gentle OneUtah readers for saying truth. 
I ask my friends at ASP to consider why so few others have such a willingness to mediate your non-reality based — so tragically idealogical as to be dangerous — view of the world.
Vanity Fair cover story, “Neo Culpa”. Excerpts below:
Blame it on Bush?
Whatever the N.S.C.’s deficiencies, say the neocons, the buck has to stop with the president.
Liberal media? Oh really?
He is also disgusted by the former defense secretary’s claims that the mayhem has been exaggerated by the media, and that all the war needs is better P.R. “The problem here is not a selling job. The problem is a performance job,” Adelman says.
…and a CYA from some of the original ‘architects’ of the war.
Cohen believes, the main beneficiary of America’s intervention in Iraq is the mullahs’ regime in Iran, along with its extremist president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Pletka’s bitterness now is unrestrained. “I think that even though the president remains rhetorically committed to the idea of what he calls his ‘freedom agenda,’ it’s over,” she says. “It turns out we stink at it.
The convoys, says Perle, “came under fire all the time. So we were sending American forces in harm’s way, with full combat capability to support them, helicopters overhead, to move goddamn ice from Kuwait to Baghdad.”
This one for CJ:
C.I.A. director Woolsey, one of this saga’s most baffling features has been the persistent use of military tactics that were discredited in Vietnam.
Besides the soldiers who continue to die, there are the Iraqis whose hopes were so cruelly raised. “Where I most blame George Bush,” says the A.E.I.’s Michael Rubin, “is that, through his rhetoric, people trusted him, people believed him.
For Kenneth Adelman, “the most dispiriting and awful moment of the whole administration was the day that Bush gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to [former C.I.A. director] George Tenet, General Tommy Franks, and Jerry [Paul] Bremer—three of the most incompetent people who’ve ever served in such key spots.
The most damning assessment of all comes from David Frum: “I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that, although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything.”
Rubin says…Rumsfeld and other administration spokesmen were out of touch with reality and soon “lost way too much credibility” by repeatedly claiming that the insurgents were not a serious problem. Meanwhile, waste, corruption, and grotesque mismanagement were rife.
Who are the most powerful people in the White House? “They are women who are in love with the president: Laura [Bush], Condi, Harriet Miers, and Karen Hughes.” He cites the peculiar comment Rice reportedly made at a dinner party in 2004, when she referred to Bush as “my husb—”
Gaffney says, “I would say that the likelihood of military action against Iran is 100 percent,”
January 13th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
I doubt very much if Bush supporters know any of these people.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Amazing and shameful. These guys are blaming Bush for an idea that never entered the chimps brain before they planted it there. They should all be shot.
Why do you still bother with the morons at ASP. Even the ones that did graduate from high school didn’t apparently didn’t learn much about critical thinking.
January 13th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
CLIFF,
Not to be impolite but you still haven’t answered my question?http://oneutah.org/2007/01/12/chicken-shit-schoolyard-bully-revisited/#comment-28660
Is my post about Lt. Watada removed by order of the proto fascist United Snakes of Amerikkka?
January 13th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hi Nate.
I would never remove a post. When did you post it? I’m not seeing anything in drafts. What was the title?
I have not been contacted directly though I’m quite sure the proto facist are watching closely.
January 13th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
It was posted on Janaury 7th, 2007. Just after your stand up for your rights post. It was titled, “Convicted for their Convictions: War Resistors Stand up”
January 13th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Nate, I don’t see it anywhere. I’m really sorry. That is a bit strange. Do you have a copy?
January 13th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Yes, I do have a copy. It was read and responses were posted by several members including Richard Warnick and Glenn. In addition, interestingly enough, Patriot posted about Lt. Ehren Watada over at ASP the very same day January 7th. He called Lt. Watada, Lt. Wetarded. Pretty fucked up to say about someone standing on his own against so much corrupted power. 6 years is quite a long time in federal prison . . .
January 13th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
So the dual passport rats are leaving the sinking ship, what a shocker!
They created the policies and now they are trying to blame it on bush, he deserves it the idiot. Never trust a dual passport rat bushy boy. They won’t be able to distance their responsibility to the rest of the world, only Americans will buy the lame attempt.
They should all be shot. Nah, The Blessed Rope is hungry for these rats.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Bush supporters need to know these people. Cliff, do you think your approach is direct enough? Will those that read really understand the significance of this article and how these people are the architects of war?
January 13th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
LDSnm,
You’re talking about ASP folks? Frankly MOST of the people who still support Bush have no idea about the ‘architects’.
But since virtually all of the good OneUtah readers know these guys well. So I hate to clutter the posts with too much school’in for the less-well informed.
They don’t care about information. But they will appreciate knowing that the ‘architects’ are now the enemy too.
I can’t hardly wait till they start ’swift-boating’ Richard Perle
January 13th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
The DPR dual passport rats could count as a guy as dumb as bush to be their fall guy. They hoped what they planned worked but if it didn’t, oh well, it’s only Americans dying. The oh well, has bad implications for their people. Everybody but Americans know what they have done. No place to go for them.
Hell of a choice, excellent call, bush knows now how he was sold down the river by the DPR. This could get interesting because he still has the power to mop the floor with them, at least clandestinely. If I was them, I might be scared, but their hubris will prevent that, which is their weakness.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Unfortunately, Bill Kristol and Barney still support President Bush’s handling of the occupation. Kristol specifically rejects “Iraqification” and supports sending more American troops. He also backs a war with Iran.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Sorry, I forgot Frederick Kagan. Probably the most dangerous man in America now. From the The Times:
“Frederick Kagan, 36, is the author of Choosing Victory, a blueprint for the surge adopted by President George W Bush. Just as everybody had begun writing off the influence of the neocons at the White House, genial, chubby-faced Frederick gave the muscular intellectuals a lease of life.
It was at Camp David last June that Kagan, a military historian and fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, outlined his plans for pouring more troops into Iraq to Bush and his war cabinet.
Donald Rumsfeld, the then defence secretary, was unimpressed, but Kagan’s views got another hearing when Bush was searching for ways to ditch the seemingly defeatist recommendations of James Baker’s Iraq Study Group. “Wow, you mean we can still win this war?†a grateful Bush reportedly said.”
January 14th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Well, Sue over at ASP is one neocon that ain’t about to bail. Read her spouting below taken from today’s Open Briefing (Jan. 14) over at ASP:
“Since I know what Gunther asked about is, and really don’t need to discuss it, I would like to ask if any one thinks the manner in which Barbara Boxer addressed Condi Rice in questioning about the war was appropriate for an elected official? Personally, I find the level of despicable behavior being displayed by Congress and the Senate to be deplorable. There is not an ounce of decency, nor respectability displayed any more. There are guilty parties on both sides, and always have been. But with the growing hatred being shown on the left, new lows are being reached on a daily basis.
Also, I would like to know if any one else is outraged by the newly elected Speaker of the House who happens to be second in the line of succession for the Presidency, trying to do a dirty under the table deal for her constituency on the minimum wage deal? We have not even gotten through the first hundred hours of the new Congress and the New Speaker is already dealing corruption??????? This is going to be very interesting. Shouldn’t SHE step down? Shouldn’t we have an investigation?? Shouldn’t it be Tunagate???
Sorry, just the little things that run through my mind.”
SUE, do you get up every morning and thank your significant other for beating you about the head and body the night before? You sure seem to enjoy that S and M stuff!
January 14th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
I want to second Richard’s warning (supported by the conservative magazine known as Time) that this guy Frederick Kagan is frightening.
He comes from a long line of high ranking military officers which by his own admission drives his ambition. A quick visual of this guy suggests he is a mommas boy.
At thirty-six years old, he becomes the most senior adviser to the Bush war strategy room putting him at about age three when the Viet Nam war ended.
Move over Hamilton - Baker. you institutional memory has become an inconvenience.
January 14th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
There is a word reserved for people like Sue. The word contains four letters, the first of which is the letter “c.”
January 14th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Susie, my sweet love and babbling baby girl, what Ms. Boxer actually said is, “The issue is who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families.”
Know, I know because of your crush, its difficult to turn off Bill O’Reilly, but you really should give it a break and try C-Span. There is no media there, just reality.
Miss you,
Daddy
January 14th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Well Cliff and OneUtah:
Let me say I am totally pissed that the post I put up is goe without a trace. Our wonderful “Patriot Act” at work I’m sure. That is clearly the type of Patriots we have over at ASP. The sadistic “sneak and peek” http://www.sneakandpeek.net/) work quite well for fascists of the United Snakes of Amerikka. This is a fucking racists, patriarchal police state called a Demockracy. I’ll stand strong for my rights and yours OneUtah. The power elites will never ever do that for you, only for themselves.
We won’t forget, Justice will be Ours!
January 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
So Nate repost, I briefly read I made a reply, should I be worried? . I doubt DHS did it, things do disappear, and Cliff could have unknowingly zapped it somewhere, it happens.
Considering the DU bunker buster bombshells of truth that are penetrating the BUNK er’s of war supporters on a daily basis, one post about an objector is not to worry the war criminal in chief,… so many posts about neo cons and bushs’ malfeasence have been posted, that it would have to be very common to see disappeared posts.
billy bob kristol is a dual passport rat. The founder pnac