I feel sorry for the anti-war BYU grads who will have to sit through Voldemort’s Cheney’s commencement speech. But there is hope on the horizon . . .
I got an email from a BYU student who is helping to organize an alternative commencement for BYU grads.
“. . . I am part of a group of students andcommunity members who oppose Dick Cheney coming to speak at BYU’s commencement. We are, among other things, working to organize an alternative commencement and have been in negotiations with Ralph Nader to come and speak at this alternative commencement.
I am contacting you because we are trying to reach out to any members of the community who would be interested in supporting the alternative commencement (or other Cheney protest events) by publicizing the event, coming to the event, and donating money to pay Nader’s speaking fee ($15,000–he is cutting it down from over $20,000).”
To find out how you can support this effort:
http://byualternativecommencement.com/
and http://www.byustopcheney.com
#1 by Utah Pirate Radio on April 11, 2007 - 11:55 pm
This is very cool! I have done a broadcast about this issue on my blog. Thanks for keeping this site up to date on the issue.
I am writing BYU administration about this tonight also.
#2 by Nephi on April 12, 2007 - 8:42 am
Holy Sweet Jesus, Turd-Blossom gets pelted with rocks, Chimpus can’t throw out the opening day pitch, and now Brigham Young University students don’t want Dick “the five-deferement coward†Cheney to speak at their university. I can hardly wait to see what’s next! Pat Robertson calling Condi “the sell-out†Rice a “nappy-headed ho�
#3 by Voice of Utah on April 12, 2007 - 8:58 am
To Pirate Radio: I don’t know what it is about your website, but I tried to access it a couple of times and it totally freezes up my IE. All I did was click on the “About” button, and got kicked out of IE both times.
#4 by Outraged [former] Repug on April 12, 2007 - 9:10 am
I think Nader should speak for free. After all, but for Nader, Cheney would be a mere rich fat-cat today, and far from the buttons of detructive power he now presides over in Washington. A vote for Nader in 2000 was a vote for Bush!
#5 by Tom Grover on April 12, 2007 - 2:40 pm
This is something that KVNU’s For the People would definately get behind. Let me know what I can do.
#6 by Jenni on April 12, 2007 - 2:52 pm
Former —
The “Nader stole the election from Gore” mantra is as old and tired as it is false.
As I’ve had this debate with numerous Dems over the past 6 1/2 years, I don’t really want to do it again, but just wanted to point out that you are repeating a myth.
Tom –
I can give you one of the organizer’s email address — how can I reach you?
#7 by Outraged [former] Repug on April 12, 2007 - 2:57 pm
Jenni-
You appear to exhibit a certain feeling of guilt.
Did you vote for Nader and thereby help elect the murderous morons now in the White House?
#8 by Jenni on April 12, 2007 - 3:01 pm
No guilt — are you projecting yours perhaps?
#9 by Jenni on April 12, 2007 - 3:05 pm
I’m not really interested in fighting you, former. I’d really like to keep the discourse civil so you can disregard the above comment if you choose.
#10 by CollegeStudent on April 12, 2007 - 3:37 pm
I feel sorry for the minute-men!
#11 by Utah Pirate Radio on April 12, 2007 - 6:11 pm
To Pirate Radio: I don’t know what it is about your website, but I tried to access it a couple of times and it totally freezes up my IE. All I did was click on the “About†button, and got kicked out of IE both times.
Sorry, I think it’s my streaming audio plugin. It’s JAVA, and sometimes I.E. gets freaked out by JAVA.
I always use FireFox when I have a strange I.E. problem. GetFireFox.com
Meanwhile, Im going to take that streaming audio plugin to a new page.
Sorry about the troubles, and thanks for the visit.
BTW- Nader ROCKS!
#12 by Utah Pirate Radio on April 12, 2007 - 6:40 pm
Ok, I fixed it. Should work now.
#13 by Larry Bergan on April 12, 2007 - 7:44 pm
I saw Ralph Nader speak at the University a couple of years ago. He is a very compelling man and drew a very large crowd there.
I am convinced the Republicans were going to steal the 2000 election “hook or crook” regardless of how many votes Nader got and It has been my obsession to follow voting fraud for many years now. Despite the fact that Al Gore, indisputably, won the popular vote, the Republicans planned to steal it even if the U.S. Supreme court had voted against Gore.
#14 by Larry Bergan on April 12, 2007 - 7:46 pm
Oop! I meant if the Supreme court had voted FOR Gore.
#15 by Outraged [former] Repug on April 12, 2007 - 8:24 pm
Appreciate your comment, Larry. But many, many of us were pleading with our colleagues, including, perhaps, Jenni, not to vote for Nader because a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush. The true irony is, however, that their disdain for Bush and the two-party process is exactly what allowed Bush to become elected. I still say shame on the supporters of Ralph Nader. Nevertheless. if he wants to speak in Utah, let him pay his own way. I’ll gladly buy him a bottle of 3.2 during his stay.
#16 by Outraged [former] Repug on April 12, 2007 - 8:28 pm
PS.
Jenni, the assertion that Bush lied to lead us unnecessarily to war in Iraq is also growing old, at least among repugscum. But I don’t hear you bitching about that. What gives?
#17 by Jenni on April 12, 2007 - 9:05 pm
Former-
You are so talking to the wrong person. I have been bitching about Bush’s lies quite constantly for the past4 1/2 years now, starting with the anti-war events that I helped to plan and participate in, to the blogging that I’ve been doing for the past 2 1/2 years at
http://green-jenni.livejournal.com, to the panel discussions I’ve participated in to the cheers I do with Pom Poms not Bomb Bombs.
Also, I don’t live in Florida — I live in Utah. Regardless of where I live and vote though, my vote does not automatically belong to The Democrat just because I have progressive values. My vote goes to the candidate who best represents my values, period. I have declared myself a “progressive independent” and the Dems cannot take my vote for granted. They have to earn my vote.
If you really want to debate the Nader thing, I guess I can give it a go again. Maybe I’ll just cut and paste from all the other debates I had with Party Loyalists over the past few years. I’d rather not, because it looks like you are just itching for a fight, and I like to be a nice person.
#18 by Richard Warnick on April 12, 2007 - 9:16 pm
Jenni has a point. In Utah we can vote for third parties with a clean conscience. I voted for Nader in 2000, hoping someone in a swing state would vote for Gore in exchange. The vote trading people were swamped with requests on their website.
#19 by Larry Bergan on April 13, 2007 - 9:40 pm
Outraged [former] Repug:
Remember when all of the news media announced that Gore had won the 2000 election. I remember, because I was driving down the street with my window open, arrogantly yelling, as any partisan jackass would, “YAHOO.” Yes, I was rubbing it in, after my legally elected president had been dragged through the mud and kicked when he was down, by the hypocritical, adulterous and partisan REPUBLIC party.
There is a documentary put out by HBO called, “Hacking Democracy.” It claims, but cannot prove any intentional attempt at subverting democracy, that a voting machine in Florida turned up a negative 16,000 votes for Al Gore. Immediately following this strange occurrence, Fox news announced that George Bush had probably, actually won the election. After that, a truck full of punch card ballots, slowly drove through Florida and delayed the process. Those cards were never counted. The phony disenfranchised votes of 50,000 supposed felons, (not really), were never counted. The votes made on the famous “butterfly” ballots were never counted because those Democrats were apparently not smart enough to vote even though the highly partisan Pat Buchanan said he couldn’t understand why that many Jewish people would vote for him. After the Supreme Court in Florida voted that states rights, (something held SACRED by Utah’s top election officials), be upheld, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that states rights meant nothing, and Bush’s rights were beyond reproach.
There’s much more…
Do you want to debate the FACT that Gore won, (with or without Nader), or not?