Are you f**king kidding?
Satan behind illegal immigration, Utah County Republican claims
This man is free, on the streets. He probably has a driver’s license. He can get a concealed weapon permit. And he thinks Satan is behind illegal immigration.
Is there any idea that is simply so daft, so nuts, so embarrasingly simple-minded that a Republican won’t believe it?
April 26th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
I think Satan wants cheep or free labor. His name is Sensenbrenner and he’s a REPUBLICAN!
April 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
No, scummy american criminal employers are the force behind illegal immigration.
Mix that with the corruption, and dictatorships of of mexico that we overlook, and even bail out, and voila, wage slave refugees, that compete with US citizens, and lower wages.
Really just the flip side (domestic) of the the offshoring program that has so wracked the American working class. The beneficiaries are the people that see the profits, no many others.
Support stiff penalties for employers that utilize illegal aliens as a workforce.
25,000 dollar fine now in Colorado for each illegal alien employed.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Apparently Satan called into Doug Wright’s show today.
Click here
Lots to listen to before he makes his call…
April 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Here’s the whole show:
http://www.pandora.bonnint.net/audio/2007_04_26_doug1.mp3
April 26th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
As a Republican, and as an intelligent person, I take great exception to your statement:
Is there any idea that is simply so daft, so nuts, so embarrasingly simple-minded that a Republican won’t believe it?
Why do people think that everyone in a particular group is as nutty, stupid, irresponsible, etc. as the worst person in that group? I know it happens on both sides, and I am sick of it.
We can’t judge every Korean because of what happened at VA Tech. Nor can we say every college student is as bad. I don’t villify every Democratic party member because of stupid things said by Hillary Clinton or Harry Reid, nor do I judge them all based on the actions of Barny Frank or Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Thomas, I think the person you are rsponding to feels that way because well, it kinda feels true.
I mean, it seems like just about lie Bush tells, republicans buy it.
I know one thing for sure, I don’t see flocks of republicans out there complaining about all the republicans blindly following Bush.
If you are not one of them, you should spend less time defending yourself, and more time explaining yourself. Why are you a republican? Why did you vote for Bush?
Why are you ok about lying us into a war or supporting an attorney general who uses his office for partisan gain?
Why are you not screaming for impeachment.
Answer the question: “Is there any idea that is simply so daft, so nuts, so embarrassingly simple-minded that a Republican won’t believe it?”
Is there anything Bush could say you wouldn’t believe? Is there anything Bush HAS said you don’t believe?
April 27th, 2007 at 7:57 am
I hate to say it, but you need to get out of your bubble a little bit… How can you say, “(every) lie Bush tell, republicans believe it”? (I assume you meant to type the “every” and just got a little ahead of yourself. Correct me if I’m wrong.)
Harriet Miers - pushed by Bush, violently rejected by Democrats and Republicans alike.
You think he lied us into a war, but he told the same “lies” that Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Robert Byrd, and Al Gore told. Where are your calls for them to step down? Where are your doubts about their credibility?
As for supporting the attorney general, Gonzales is (rightfully) getting slammed by conservative all over the place.
Your argument isn’t based on an actual view of actual people… it’s based on a parody of Republicans that is more comfortable for you to believe than the more complex truth.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Matthias:
Ronald Reagan came up with a strategy which he called “the eleventh commandment” which instructed Republicans never to say anything bad about another Republican. This has worked wonderfully, and makes the Republicans look united. The media plays along and makes all of the Republicans ideas seem rational and the Democrats look fractious and ridiculous.
Newt Gingrich came out with a list of words to use that most Republicans in his congress memorized. The list tells these parrots to use derogatory terms while talking about Democrats and glowingly positive words when talking about Republicans.
As soon as honesty comes into the debate instead of “framing”, there will be a return to civil dialog. As soon as Hannity and the other 300 clones of Limbaugh get taken off the radio and television we can have a truly “BALANCED” perspective.
April 27th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
What exactly is that “complex truth” of which you write Mathias? And how exactly did you come by it? I was priding myself on another thread for knowing well in advance of the war that there were NO wmd in IRAK. I got that smidgen of complex truth by picking over a lot of non-mainstream news sources and maintaining my scepticism whenever the a Republic said ANYTHING ( really, I assumed the opposite to be true until proven otherwise - got a lot correct that way, I might add).
This is a rehash just for you, but I think all the Dems who ’signed on’ to the bush war platform were somewhat led astray by the notion that an actual war would be the LAST option, only later to find out that repub planning had been going on for some goodly length of time. It also helped to be faced with that decision while still in shock that we’d been attacked by terrorists while the admin sat on it’s hands. Open door…Let beast out…blame the hinges.
About Harriet Meyers, I’m surprized GW didn’t make her a ‘recess appointment’. He’s stylin’ that way!
April 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Larry,
I would like to take a moment to note that, although you make several very interesting conspiratorial accusations, you neglected to back them up with links so that all I can do is take your word for it. I’m kind of a trusting guy, but you also neglected to address the fact that I provided links to republicans criticizing other republicans, which would pretty much blow away your premise. You act as if I said nothing at all and you act as if I didn’t provide any proof to my claims. I don’t know what else I can do against an argument so faith-based that it won’t accept easily verifiable proof.
Caveat,
First, I don’t buy that the democrats were led astray by the Bush administration because that would mean that they were either very stupid or very naïve, and I think they are neither. Besides, if you checked the link I provided above, you would see that, if Bush was trying to lead people astray about WMD, so was Bill Clinton when he was in office. Bash Bush if you want to (I hold no fawning love for the man), but remember to save some venom for Clinton, who said the same things during his own tenure.
And the complex truth I’m talking about is the fact that the 50% of the country that doesn’t agree with you is not populated by idiots and fools, nor is it filled with wicked men and women. These are normal, decent people who happen to disagree with you.
I came by this complex truth by prying myself away from the Internet for a while and living and working with my fellow man. I spent two years in a graduate program where 90% of my peers were die-hard liberals who would try their hardest to belittle those with whom they disagreed. Many ended up softening their views when they began to talk to a conservative (me) and actually stopped to listen to my answers, finding them neither irrational nor evil. I made many friends this way, by eschewing hate and the dismissal of others based on something as silly as political preference.
Sure, there are people who would rather just reject me entirely based on my politics… but they end up living very small lives, surrounding themselves with people who think just like them (what I call intellectual clones) and being very angry a good portion of the time. On the whole, it seems like an unpleasant way to spend our time on this earth.
April 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Mathias, I do not hate you. Nor do I hate the many many republicans who inhabit my planet, country and neighborhood. I do hate the parody of the republicans to which you refer, and here is the reason why: The farcical imitation embodied by the parody is contrived from all the bits and bites, quirks and foibles, crimes and missdeeds that really stand out in the mindset and behavior of so many Repubs. As long as there are so many reprehensible qualities that can be so easily tied around the collective republican neck, YOU (sensible lad that you are) will have to suffer the mocking. Take heart though, it is only the parody that is reviled. You can rest easy in the knowledge that these crimes were only done in your name. I’m lucky that way, I never voted for Bush or supported any of his lawlessness or Constitution thwarting policies.
Thankyou for your considerate response, you do have a point; that dismissing others based on thier politics is shallow. My leftishness has been similarly dismissed on occasion as well. You must admit however that for some (like rove and cheney) politics and pathology become pretty blurred.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Now we’re talking… It’s actually kind of funny because I end up running the same debate with much of my family (which lives in Georgia) trying to argue that, yes, it is possible for someone to be a liberal AND a good moral person at the same time.
I do get sick of stupid people in my party doing stupid things (which is way too often), but I react against statements that paint everyone with the same idiot brush. I make fun of stupid liberals, but I try to keep my mockery to the ones who do stupid things, not the ones who roll their eyes when the stupid ones make fools of themselves.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Mathias, and I ‘ll grant that there might just be and ever-so-slight difference between SOME conservatives and the run of the mill GOP hack / agent. Between you and I, “having no fawning love for…” just might be a tad shy of the requirements for a clean bill of mental health. Just sayin.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Matthias:
Eleventh Commandment
Gringrich’s word list
Hello? Operator? I suspect a “conspiracy theory!”
April 27th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
If BOTH the Democrat and Republic party aren’t careful, we might end up with a one party system:
The Green party!
Headed by an “Unreasonable Man.”
April 27th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Ummm… dude?
The first link was a wikipedia stub for a novel. A fiction novel.
The second one was to a post that says that Republicans were the first people to try to use language in a manipulative way. Every person alive has been using language in a manipulative way ever since language was invented… its is neither a recent development, nor a particularly republican one. Politics is about using language in a manipulative way.
If you’re interested, I actually have a post on political linguistics in which I examine Justice Ginsberg’s comments on emotionally charged language in the political arena taken from her dissent in the recent partial-birth abortion case. I have little doubt you’ll disagree with my conclusion, but it might make interesting reading.
April 28th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Matthias:
I didn’t even read the whole Wikipedia article because the first part made my point..dude”
“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican”
~Ronald Reagan
Democrats never even contemplated putting out a word list in anything close to present times and I don’t have time to get in a debate about our right to privacy which you apparently don’t care about.
April 28th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Maybe we should all agree to read the things we link to before we use them as evidence.
Just a suggestion.
You can use a singular quote all you want, and I will continue to point to instances of Republicans breaking your so-called 11th commandment all the time. Trent Lott didn’t step down from Senate Majority Leader because the Democrats criticized him, but because the Republicans did.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:27 am
As for republican criuticism of criminals among thier ranks…I can only say “Bring em on!”
April 29th, 2007 at 7:40 am
I agree completely.
We can only hope that their criticism exceeds the Democratic criticism of Democratic Rep Gary Stubbs and Democrat Rep Alcee Hastings, both guilty of using their rather significan/t power for greenbacks. Both still in Congress.
I forget how many Republicans convicted of bribery are still holding Congressional office, perhaps you can remind me.
Or perhaps we can agree that, Republican or Democrat, most politicians are scum. I’m not trying to convince you that Republicans are angels, pure as the driven snow. But it’s silly to think that one of these filthy political parties has a moral upper hand on the other.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:15 am
My apologies, Gerry Studds was the Democrat who had sex with 17 year old boys (and proceeded to serve as Democratic Congressman for another 14 years). William Jefferson is the bribe king.
My bad.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:32 am
It is ‘my bad’ to suggest that only the republicans can commit crimes. I find it very disturbing just how many of our reps and the appointees are such scum. It may be time for our political process to reverse order, with those passing the screening process shit-canned, and someone else dragged, kicking and screaming toward the unfilled offices, and made to do the job correctly and honestly against the penalty of the law. I jest, but as our power accumulates and as its ultimate corruptive potential ascends, are we left with only God as our final role model and haven’t we just seen that even God can be appropriated by the very same scum that make it too the top? Something has GOT to give.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Matthias:
I don’t really need to read every article I link to, to insure that the entire article only covers the point I’m trying to make. The quote I needed was in the first line. Just call me lazy.
I don’t know if you’ve been following this attorney scandal at all, but it looks like they were being fired for not doing more prosecutions of Democrats then Republicans. Not only that, but the ones that WERE doing more prosecutions of Democrats still have their jobs.
A strategy that is working well for Republicans now that the subpoenas are flying at them, is to pull out every red herring prosecution of a Democrat, whether there’s been a conviction or not, and throw it out there saying “SEE, SEE!”
Gerry Studds kept getting elected, William Jefferson has never been convicted and the worst liars you can produce are Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Robert Byrd, and Al Gore. Please give me a break! This has been a Republican monopoly for years now and none of those people are in jail yet.
What about Cunningham, Ney, and Abramoff who ARE in jail. Here are some other repute-able men:
Hyde, Delay, Livingston, Gingrich, Frist, Scalia, Roberts, Alito, Dole, Nixon…
Power corrupts, and the Republicans have “had it all” for years.