It’a not as though hundreds of generation of dwellers in these parts and thier remnants wouldn’t have insights about living on the planet! Aside from the blood soaked arrogance that our people brought to bear in colonizing America, there is nothing to say that the ones we displaced had nothing to offer. But, like the present administrations efforts to thwart all things ‘Democratic’ (including those things we got absolutely right), so too have we ignored practically all things Native. I would suggest to our peril. By peril I’m not concerned by the threat of insurrection, instead we’ll miss all the adaptive lifeways that a more nature centered community had going for it, and be left with our parking lots and rust driven technologies.

Extrapolate that diff out to the target Utah vs North America, and you the only conclusion you can reach is that Rush Limbaugh should be ten thousand times more concerned about OneUtah’s efforts to impeach Bush and ameliorate sex education than the Mexica Movement.

I think this bears out my point, that there is no real evidence of a major movement to kick white Europeans out of the US or at the very least, that such a threat does not rise to a level deserving discussion and most certainly not as an argument for why we should worry about illegal immigration.

So I ask once again, WHY should we be concerned about illegal immigration. Someone show me some facts.

“for the race everything, for the rest, nothing”.

The idea that there are people that want lands returned they believe to be theirs is a simple notion being carried out by Indians, all over Canada. In the US too. The Quilyutes just got a big chunk back up here in WA.

Within your own ethnic group were there not elements that waited and waited, and then acted upon opportunity to establish their homeland, in which they would dominant and superior to those inhabitants at the chronological time? Gee Cliff, you really have to work on your openings, they determine the outcome of the game. This is on the order of mate in 4 moves.

Fascinating theory. Perhaps you will regale us with some semblance of evidence for your claim that “There is a strong “Reconquenista” movement”?

I mean, I know Rush Limbaugh and lots of other white folks like to talk about it, but surely such talk alone cannot constitute evidence of the truth of its existence in the minds of sober and learned men or any for that matter, free of a proclivity for whimsy, fantasy, fable and lore — or at least those in possession of the ability to distinguish between say fact and fiction and the respect for each in their proper place.

Put another way, the blatant, screaming absence of such evidence following your promulgation of this conspiracy opens you to not unreasonable accusations of fear-mongering though exaggeration if not outright deception.

…that, or your own weakness for fable.

http://www.teambio.org/2007/06/bush-pledges-more-free-money-to-israel/

And the Mexican’s Spanish descendents stole the land from the Mayan’s and the Aztecs, and other native people who routinely stole land and made war with each other, so there are no innocent people here. There is a strong “Reconquenista” movement that seeks to create an Apartheid type country called Aztlan stretching from California to Texas, where those who do not belong to La Raza (the race) will be treated like second class citizens so or even kicked out. Also, for those that feel so strongly about not living in “occupied territory” then you better move back to Europe or where ever your ancestors came from. The only problem with that is there is not a single place on the planet that has not been conquered or “stolen” by one group or other so the only place left to go is the moon.

Whatever your perspective, it isn’t their country now, and they stole from Indians and Anglos, took it from them. If illegal immigration is any indication, what comes around goes around, and the battle is on, and seemingly the laws will soon be enforced. No one is against legal immigration Ed, it is 2007, and the history you describe from another age. I expect you all to turn your current properties over to some deserving Ute.

Can’t anyone have refuge in your home Ed if they need it? Are you prejudiced against those that appear to be on the wrong side of your version of history?

Ed in Vermont my friends garden suffered a bad damp off spring which stunted his garden. He an I tilled it under and replanted on June 22. We had a bumper crop of everything. In Utah the summer conditions last longer, and you can even plants lettuce and such in august and get edible results. I planted mine in those large black tubs. Tub ‘o lettuce.