SB 210 - Voter Suppression in Utah
One of the favorite tactics of Republicans, especially in the era of Karl Rove, is voter suppression. This is the grab bag of legal requirements and sometimes dirty tricks aimed at discouraging poor people and minorities from voting.
When you hear claims of “voter fraud” coming from the GOP, watch out. They are pushing some new voter suppression scheme. The latest is SB 210 - Proof of Citizenship Required to Vote (PDF), sponsored by Senator Mark Madsen (R-UT 13) from Eagle Mountain. This bill would require Utahns who want to be registered voters to submit a copy of their driver license issued or renewed after July 1, 2005, birth certificate, passport, naturalization name and certificate number, or documentation of membership in a Native American tribe.
Obviously, this would have a chilling effect on volunteer voter registration drives, given the concern we all have about identity theft. It will force most people to register in person at the DMV or county clerk’s office, which means taking time off from work to stand in long lines. Maybe new voters will get discouraged and decide to avoid the hassle.
The ostensible reason for SB 210 makes no sense. There is no evidence of voting by non-citizens in Utah. For example, 600,000 Salt Lake County registration forms have been checked by the offices of Social Security, Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement with no finding that anyone has illegally registered to vote.
Sufficient safeguards against illegal registration are already in place. Recently updated voter registration applications already require place and date of naturalization, date and place of birth, driver license or state identification card number, and last four Social Security digits. Applicants already must sign a citizenship affidavit and declaration that they are eligible–over 18, a citizen, not an incarcerated felon, living at the address given, and residing in Utah 30 days before the election. A penalty of up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500 is noticed on the form. Voters who vote illegally can be prosecuted under current law.
The county clerks of Salt Lake, Weber and Davis are opposed to SB 210, along with the League of Women Voters. This bill is an attempt to interfere with the right to vote, by making it harder to register new voters.
UPDATE: Today the Senate decided to circle SB 210, which means they temporarily postponed action on the bill.
UPDATE: The Salt Lake Tribune notes that the American Civil Liberties Union also opposes this bill.
“As even the sponsor of this bill has indicated, SB210 is merely ‘precautionary,’ as there is no evidence to support the practice of voting by undocumented immigrants in Utah,” said Marina Lowe, staff attorney for the ACLU of Utah. “Unfortunately, the lesson learned by Arizona after enacting similar legislation is that large numbers of voter registration forms from U.S. citizens were rejected because they lacked the documents needed to prove their citizenship. The right to vote of Utahns is too fundamental to be sacrificed in the name of a hypothetical harm.”
February 27th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
What kind of idiot are you, Richard? Too busy hugging illegal aliens that are mowing your lawn and cleaning your house to understand that SB 210 is a bill to ensure that CITIZENS vote and not illegals?
Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work†that illegal aliens just won’t do. Therefore SB 210 is needed to ensure they do follow the law and not vote!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Hey, as long as the legislature is still in session, let’s pass a law that says interstellar spacecraft can’t land in Utah without a permit. The number of documented examples is equal to that of voting by non-citizens.
NASA’s deep space Stardust mission doesn’t count. But maybe Cliff has more info…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Actually requiring proof of citizenship to vote? That’s an outrage! I’m appalled. How can we be so heartless as to deny illegal aliens the right to vote. I mean we are all “citizens of world” aren’t we? We should allow anyone who wants to vote whether they are citizens or not. I mean everyone in the world has a stake in who the President of the United States is, don’t they?
February 27th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Ken:
I would expect nothing less from you. For one that always sides on the so-called logic points of an issue, you sure miss the point on this post. Studies from accross the country have concluded precisely the same results set forth by the top post: there is little to no voter registration fraud from illegals, and requiring proof of citizenship beyond that already required leads to the poor and others entitled to vote to simply not jump throught the hurdles and not vote.
You should just stick with your apologist theories for the current administration and stay away from topics that are logically defensible, as you lose every time!!
February 27th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
what you are saying is that the poor, who are well versed in navigating the bureaucracy of food stamp and welfare programs, can’t manage to get legal identification? ID is a complete red herring. The truth is that Democrats want voter fraud to be easy because they are the greatest beneficiaries of it.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
And your proof that democrats have benefitted from voter fraud is …?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:22 am
zeezil, you on the hunt? Lots of dumb ungulates here. Moo, baaa, harumph… dear 10,000… persevere.
I have proof that over 1000 illegal aliens, 200 felons, and some 80 dead people voted in the last Washington state governors race. Wanna see? The race was decidered by 110 votes.
Got to love democracy, figure the dead voted republican, the illegals? The felons?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Here is an article about Senator Bob Bennett bringing up decades old stories about voter fraud. Republicans are always telling stories about dogs, dead people, cartoon characters, or bums who were given cigarettes to vote a certain way. It’s not happening and if it did it is so rare, it’s not even worth talking about, and yet you hear the words “voter fraud” repeated endlessly. A plethora of “election fraud” is happening in America, but you never hear about that.
Speaking of cartoon characters. As Richard notes in a reply to my article, Ann Colter is responsible for the only known case of voter fraud lately and is definitely a felon. The attorney purge scandal that the media has barley covered, even though it has the potential to stop our democratic republic has connections to this whole voter fraud scam.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Dude, there’s a waterboard with your name on it.
The Washington story is part of state record. The state election official resigned over it. Fraud is the way of Stalin.
Those that cast the votes mean nothing, those that count the votes mean everything.
Gregiore remained.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:53 am
“I’m deprived on account a I’m depraved!” Generic non-white immigrant.
So now that some of the pundits have resolved that Obama might be white enough and perhaps not quite Muslim enought to keep him from being President, I suppose it’s time we really gave thought to firming up the true parameters of blackness and Muslimness; to define our real threat. There’s a shade / faith threshhold out there somewhere, I just know it.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Dems and Vote Fraud:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15082
February 28th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Rigged Diebold voter equipment and illegal aliens registering to vote. USA! USA! USA! No voter left behind. Nothing so great as full participation in our democratic election process.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Non Citizens Voting in Federal Elections:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersb9dc
February 28th, 2008 at 9:59 am
I believe voter fraud is such a serious offense that it should carry the death penalty for anyone involved. Voting is so important because we use ballets instead of bullets to settle our political differences. If the voting system breaks down to were no one has faith in the process then ballets will be replaced with bullets once again.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Cav have you read about mixed race people not wanting to be included exclusively in the black race, though many in orthodoxy say if you are any part black, then you are black?
It’s a form of racism.
I love it when Tiger whacks them 400 yards.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Ken:
I hate to break this to you, but we use computer chips, and ONLY computer chips to store our votes on now in Utah. All other records are ignored and then destroyed.
zeezil:
God I hate to even type such a stupid “name” into my computer. If it’s the democrats that have been stealing the elections, why weren’t we able to win them until Bush took our democracy away. Please go play in the road with your gun and stop fucking up the conversation here.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:24 am
You lunkhead Larry, they are in on it, they just trade places now and again, and when it’s not their turn, make a good show of it.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Cav; I love it when Tiger whacks them 400 yards.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Cav have you read about mixed race people not wanting to be included exclusively in the black race, though many in orthodoxy say if you are any part black, then you are black?
It’s a form of racism.
I love it when Tiger whacks them 400 yards.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Ken, you really want the death penalty for Ann Coulter? Seems a bit excessive.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:28 am
WM Warnick
The site you gave me was posted in 1996. Since then Ann Coulter has not been indicted or convicted of any election or tax laws, so apparently there is no substance to the articles claim
February 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Correction: 2006 not 1996
February 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Larry:
Moe and Curly are wondering if you’ll be home for dinner.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
zeezil:
You might be interested in discovering a bit more about the author of your “evidence” of voter fraud:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Farah
Give me a freaking break you Latter-day Nut Job!!
February 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Uh Albert, it isn’t very credible to use wiki anymore to describe people. It is as biased as Farah himself. A self editing encyclopedia is good for describing things that people agree on…like what is a tomato, but when it drifts into partisan politics, it is about useless. Get another source.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/outthere/otfarah.html
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-Farah.html
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/sheeple_analyst/Righteous_Joe.htm
February 28th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Ken:
The next time I commit a felony, I hope I have enough friends in high places or enough money to keep the case in suspended animation until the statute of limitations runs out. That’s what happened in Ann Colter’s case.
zeezhole:
The three stooges changed their names to Gary, Joe and Mike and they are
runningruining Utah’s elections.Albert:
You have no proof zeezhole is a mormon, just a racist.
caveat:
Isn’t that from “West Side Story?” I love that movie!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
I baaaack. Looks like a missed some fireworks.
Looks like Pop and Zee are bloodied and lying battered in the mud.
Lets see if they can recover from the Albert O beating.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
We’re using the birdman to make a point? He’s a riot, been reading him for years. It’s always the Jews with him.
What’s the argument here? That democrats are not vote fraudsters? That the neo cons are bad? Who is arguing any of this? It has been a matter of history that both parties have used underhanded tactics to swing elections.
Is there any chance that this site can be anything more than the adult version of a pep rally?
LBJ was honest? Clinton didn’t pardon a bunch of scumbag criminals at the end of his term? I’m not taking any sides here, just saying that there are no angels on either side of the aisle.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
How does the desire to ensure people have the legal right to vote make them racist?
Do you want felons to vote? Teenagers? Green card holders? Illegal aliens? What real objection could you possibly have? As close as elections have been, anyone without the legal right to vote should be barred from doing so. What exactly would be the problem?
Say something intelligent…please.
You need a license to drive, you need legal registration and residency to vote. All manner of rights are contingent on proof of identity. You can’t return anything to a store without a receipt, and you must sign to do that. Be serious.
The identity theft thing is a straw man. You using a credit card on a daily basis? Your identity can be stolen as simple as that.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Larry there is either election fraud, or there isn’t, make up your mind. If there wasn’t then bush was fairly elected. Both times.
If there was overt fraud, then the secondary fraud was that of the loyal opposition walking away from what looked to be obvious malfeasance.
Why did the dems do that? Stupid is as stupid does?
Is it that they believe in the “Rule of Law” so much that they just accepted the Supreme Court unprecedented validated fraud? IF that were true then they would apply immigration law, which is after all the Law of the Land, no?
So it is quite obvious that the dems pick and choose their battles, are in fact quite cynical, and really stand for nothing solid, not that republicans do either. Welcome to honest politics. Like finding a virgin in a whorehouse.
I am not partisan here, I am only filling massive gaps in credibility and logic, and at times I feel I need a mental bulldozer to fill the breaches.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
> THIS IS A NON-PARTISAN JOKE THAT CAN BE ENJOYED BY BOTH REPUBLICANS
> AND DEMOCRATS.
>
> While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit
> by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter
> at the entrance.
> “Welcome to heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle
> in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around
> these parts, you see, so we’re not sure what to do with you.”
> “No problem, just let me in,” says the man.
> “Well, I’d like to but I have orders from higher up. What we’ll do
> is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can
> choose where to spend eternity.”
> “Really, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,” says the
> senator.
> “I’m sorry but we have our rules.” And with that, St. Peter escorts
> him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors
> open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the
> distance is a club and standing in front of it are all his friends and
> other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and
> in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce
> about the good times they had while getting rich at expense of the
> people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster,
> caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very
> friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are
> having such a good time that, before he realizes it, it is time to go.
> Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator
> rises. The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven
> where St. Peter is waiting for him.
> “Now it’s time to visit heaven.” So, 24 hours pass with the head of
> state joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud,
> playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he
> realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
> “Well then, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now
> choose your eternity.”
>
> The senator reflects for a minute, then the senator
> answers: “Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has
> been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.”
> So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down
> to hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of
> a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends,
> dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags.
> The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.
> “I don’t understand,” stammers the senator. “Yesterday I was here and
> there was a golf course and club, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank
> champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now all there is a
> wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What
> happened?”
> The devil looks at him, smiles and says, “Yesterday we were
> campaigning…… Today you voted”.
The moral of the story?…Misery loves company.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Larry:
Your felony is your comments. Circular, with no particluar point or wit. So how goes it on the Trib?
February 29th, 2008 at 2:29 am
So what if there are patches of election fraud committed by a handful of democrats 40 plus years ago. We are talking about today.
The illegal aliens are NOT voting, they’re trying to stay invisible. The attorney purge scandal has proven the courts are being stacked against the democrats. A lot of honest attorneys have been replaced with dishonest ones, and the bad ones never had to leave. The Republicans have been putting this system in place for decades and would love nothing more then to see us little people fighting amongst each other.
The question I cannot answer is why the Democrats aren’t doing more to alert the people, other then the fact that they would be called conspiracy theorists and not backed up at all by the media. It’s a huge problem. That’s why the forefathers were so keen on freedom of the press. I guess they knew people wouldn’t have the time or means to find out what was going on, and had to rely on commentary from others.
I think what happened to Don Siegelman has happened to many others including Max Cleland, a true war hero who was supposed to have lost his election because they likened him to Sadam. All they have to do is say that’s why people decided not to vote for him at the last minute and then rig the election. That’s why Democrats can’t win enough seats to make a difference. They should be screaming and shouting anyway though and NOT voting for bad bills and appointments.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Larry, in Washington State the governors race was decided by 110 votes. A man I know personally went to the counties of the State and got the public access records for people that wish to be recused from jury duty. Their excuse, they openly admitted they were unqualified as they were illegal aliens. The judges agreed and they returned back their homes in Washington State. The man then, after the election, picked up the names of all the registered voters lists from the counties, utilizing a computer program, he compared the lists names, addresses, and bingo, a portion the illegal alien names that declined jury duty showed up as registered voters. The record shows, that sure enough, they voted.
The man I know that did this only became interested when voter registration paperwork came to his address for his parents. It had been going on 8 years. Only one problem. They had been dead for 10 years. His original intention was to see how many dead people were voting, he then expanded that to felons, and then illegal aliens. Some do vote Larry. 800 at least.
Many illegals have stolen SS#’s, drive with no insurance, break a few laws here and there, voting would be no big deal Larry, just fill out the paperwork.
Just consider, 30% of felons in our Federal prisons are illegal aliens. If we are concerned about vote fraud, and I have listened to the complaining of people on this blog, you being one of them… I ask again, given the evidence of fraud, are you not interested in controlling all avenues that could corrupt the system? We have a sitting governor up here that likely would not have won if the some 1000 votes of unqualified voters had not participated.
It isn’t just republicans, this is has been going since day one. It is the weakness of democracy. Bad people, bad democracy.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:16 am
I don’t know what to tell you pop. I guess when Utah starts electing illegal aliens to high office and the temple is converted into a dance hall for Mexican fiesta’s and I’m forced to do slave labor because I’m white, I’ll have to admit I was an idiot, but I just don’t see it happening.
Just after the HUGE rallies here in Salt Lake were held, because the immigrants stood up and said we’re not going to sit by and watch some of our people be made into felons and slaves because they got forced out of their own country by NAFTA, I went to a much smaller immigrant rally at the city and county building with a sign that said “Criminalize Sensenbrenner.” I had to explain to most of them that Sensenbrenner was the guy that was trying to get the legislation passed. The people were very nice and tolerant even before they knew what the sign meant.
Why does America have to keep bringing in reduced wage labor and then wonder why there are people around who don’t like their lower position in society?
Your claim that people were trying to get out a jury duty by claiming they were illegal aliens sounds ridiculous!
March 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Didn’t the progressive god king clinton pass nafta?
Whatever sophistry you wish to use to explain why illegals come here, when you are broke Larry and want to migrate to another Country for a better life, you will be rather surprised at how you will be received. We are the most benevolent country for immigration in the world. It is easiest here. There is no excuse for breaking the laws. The progressive perspective on this is skewed as you are making your assumptions in a world reality vacuum.
As ridiculous as it sounds Larry, those are the facts, and the documentation to prove it has been presented to the election officials in the State of WA. It forced some resignations. In all the searches Eastern Washington has many illegal aliens that live in State,set up and even buy homes, and settle in, working illegally in farming. This is ending as tolerance has waned, actually due to the illegal alien protests themselves. It rather backfired with American citizens looking on and saying WTF.
Sounds nuts that idiotic illegal aliens would get out jury duty by admitting that they were illegal, knowing full well that then federal law barred the State and local authorities from taking action. As non citizens they could not serve on juries, it was well known that this was the case to the illegal alien community. Upon being dismissed no further actions were taken. This is now changed.
Those laws have all since been reformed, and the local and state police can arrest people for immigration violations and hold them until the feds pick them up. In the case of New Hampshire, the State charges the federal gov’t for the service of upholding its own laws, since they seemingly cannot, or will not.
In the case of illegally entering the Country without the benefit of customs, it is a federal felony, and they can be arrested. In the case of overstaying their visa, it is a civil crime, and the penalties are fines, and being kicked out of the Country. These are the laws as they stand, and local and state law enforcement can implement them.
I have experienced immigration laws in the progressive paradise of Canada, and I assure you, that you will be turned in by the locals there, and collected by the RCMP, if you are found out. You are immediately returned to your country of origin, and cannot be considered for re-entry into Canada for a period of no less that 10 years. Perspective Larry, the party is over.
March 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Larry please read this…www.snopes.com
By the by, Dick Lamm was a democrat, then joined the reform party. The subtleties of realities are blunted by the True Believer.
You live in the right state. Ever consider that your insistence that dem good, rep bad, is merely a reflection of the political vagaries of the extremely polarized condition you exist at there in Utah?
March 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Larry please read this.
Links and html feature not functioning…for me?
March 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
In case you won’t make the effort, snopes won’t let me copy, nor will it link.
How to destroy America. 2005 speech by Dick Lamm former democrat governor of Colorado.
We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado . In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant . Last week there was an Immigration Overpopulation Conference in Washington , D. C. , filled to capacity by many of America’s finest minds and leaders . A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Davis Hansen, talked about his latest book , ” MEXIFORNIA ” , explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire State of California . He said it would march across the Country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream .
Moments later , former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America .
The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States . He said , ” If you believe that America is too smug , too self - satisfied , too rich , then let’s destroy America . It is not that hard to do . No Nation in History has survived the ravages of Time . Arnold Toynbee observed that all Great civilizations rise and fall and that : ” An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide . ”
” Here is how they do it , ” Lamm said :
” First , to destroy America , turn America into a bi-lingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country . History shows that no Nation can survive the tension , conflict , and antagonism of Two or more competing Languages and Cultures . It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual ; however , it is a curse for a Society to be bilingual The historical scholar , Seymour Lipset , put it this way : ‘ The histories of bilingual and bicultural Societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil , tension , and tragedy . ‘ Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of National existence in which minorities press for Autonomy , if not Independence . Pakistan and Cyprus have divided . Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion . France faces difficulties with Basques , Bretons , Corsicans and Muslims . ”
Lamm went on :
” Second , to destroy America , invent ‘ multi-culturalism ‘ and encourage Immigrants to maintain Their culture . Make it an Article of Belief that All Cultures are EQUAL ; that there are No ‘ cultural ‘ differences . Make it an Article of Faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due Solely to Prejudice and Discrimination by The majority . Every other explanation is out of bounds . ”
” Third , we could make the United States an ‘ Hispanic Quebec ‘ without much effort . The ‘key’ is to Celebrate diversity rather than Unity . As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently : ‘ The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance , but by Hegemony . Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrcity and what it meant to Be an American , we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together . ‘ Lamm said , ” I would encourage all immigrants to keep their Own language and Culture . I would replace the ‘ melting pot ‘ metaphor with the Salad bowl metaphor . It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups Living In America enforcing Their differences rather than as Americans , emphasizing their Similarities . ”
” Fourth , I would make our fastest growing demographic Group the least Educated . I would add a second Underclass , un-assimilated , under educated , and antagonistic to, Our population . I would have this second Underclass have, a 50 % dropout rate from High School . ”
” My Fifth point for Destroying America would be to get big Foundations and Business to give these efforts lots of Money . I would invest in Ethnic identity , and I would establish the cult of ‘ Victimology . ‘ I would get all minorities to think that their Lack of Success was the fault of the Majority . I would start a “grievance” Industry blaming All Minority failure on the Majority population . ”
” My Sixth plan for America’s Downfall would include Dual Citizenship , and promote Divided loyalties . I would celebrate DIVERSITY Over Unity . I would stress Differences rather than similarities . Diverse people Worldwide, are mostly engaged in Hating each other - that is , when they are not Killing each other . A diverse , peaceful , or stable Society is against most historical Precept . People undervalue The unity it takes to keep a Nation together . Look at the ancient Greeks . The Greeks believed that they belonged to the Same race ; they possessed a Common language and Literature ; and they worshiped the Same gods . All Greece took part in the Olympic Games . A common enemy , Persia , threatened Their liberty . Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome Two factors : local patriotism and geographical Conditions that nurtured Political divisions . Greece Fell . ” E Pluribus Unum ” - - From many , ONE . In that Historical reality , if we put the emphasis on the ‘ pluribus ‘ instead of the ‘ Unum , ‘ we will ” Balkanize ” America as surely as Kosovo . ”
” Next to last , I would place all Subjects OFF LIMITS . Make it ” taboo ” to Talk about Anything against the cult of ‘ diversity . ‘ I would find a word similar to ‘ heretic ‘ in the 16th Century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking . Words like ‘ racist ‘ or ‘ xenophobe ‘ stifle if not halt discussion and / or any debate . Having made America a bilingual / bi-cultural Country , having established multi-cultum , having the Large Foundations fund The Doctrine of ‘ Victimology ‘ , I would next make it Impossible to enforce our Immigration Laws . I would develop a mantra : That, Because Immigration has been GOOD for America , it must Always be Good . I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and Ignore the Cumulative Impact of Millions of them . ”
In the last minute of his speech , Governor Lamm wiped his brow . Profound silence followed . Finally, he said ” Lastly , I would Censure (& censor) Victor Hanson Davis’s book ” Mexifornia ” . His book is Dangerous . It exposes The Plan to Destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed , Don’t read that Book . ”
There Was , no applause . A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at this Conference . Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated, was proceeding methodically , quietly , darkly , and pervasively Across these United States, Today . Discussion is being Suppressed . Over 100 Languages are ripping the Foundation of our Educational System and National Cohesiveness .
Even barbaric Cultures that practice, *Female Genital mutilation are growing, as We Celebrate : ‘ diversity ‘ . American jobs are vanishing into The Third World as Corporations create a New Third World, in America . Take note of California and other States . To date , Ten million Illegal aliens and growing fast; reminiscent of, George Orwell’s book ” 1984 ” . In that riveting story , three Slogans are engraved in the ” Ministry of Truth ” Building : ” War is Peace ” , ” Freedom is Slavery “, and, ” IGNORANCE is Strength “.
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat . It dawned on Everyone at the Conference that our Nation and the Future of This ‘great’ democracy that used to be, a Republic is deeply in Trouble and worsening, fast .
*It seems the cultural aversion to recognizing male circumcision as genital mutilation, is a denial that is ah, very “democratic”.
Dick Lamm was a democrat governor.
March 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp
Here is the link and the status is ‘True’.
Every word of Gov Richard Lamm is right on the money. It is not diversity that we should be celebrating, rather it is unity in spite of diversity that should be celebrated. Multiculturalism is destroying our unity and will lead to future conflicts, and could ultimately destroy this nation. Many suspect, including myself and Gov. Lamm, that this is the real agenda behind multiculturalism.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
The demise of this most blessed nation, hand-picked by God Her self, born in the blood of slave and native will inevitably come to pass. You, on the other hand will live forever in perpetual struggle. Surrender! It’s your only path to Kolob.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
It is true that Lamm made that speech. It is also true he is a fear mongering idiot. Immigration is not ruining this country, conservative policy and ignorant white trash who voted for Bush are ruining this country.
The Mexicans that come here are the bravest hardest working people in Mexico, and they work harder and have better values than their poorly educated American bretheren.
Ken, I dare you to go to Mexico with nothing on your back and no language skills ans find a job and start working.
You would never do it because it takes more backbone than you have eveer had to muster for any reason any time in your life. That you don’t HAVE to go to Mexico to support your family is just pure luck.
The idea that any American WANTS to destroy this country is so stupid it, anyone who suggests so, should be strung up and pissed on for being dumb ass.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
So you say cliff. What can be said, he’s a democrat.
If the Mexicans who come here illegally were so brave and good is it not possible that they work for change in their own country rather than expecting America to adapt to them? We know why you want them here, cheap labor, your past can never escape you.
In the origins of things are their future. Outsourcing manufacturing to china, and hiring illegal aliens. The stuff of a good person. How many yellow ribbons mags you sell today?
“ignorant white trash”. This is a blatantly racist comment. When the name calling begins…the argument is lost. Thank you cliff. You do yourself proud, but what the hell, it’s your site.
“*should be strung up and pissed on for being dumb ass”. You wouldn’t be referring to lynching would you?
Should Ken ever go to messy co. and enter illegally, and then attempt to work, he would be summarily imprisoned when found out, and could likely expect the desired “*cliff treatment” he so conveniently mentioned above.
You off your meds today? Need a cigi?
March 1st, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Cliff
I was wondering what happened to you, I haven’t heard from you for a while.
Lets get one thing straight. I am in favor of legal immigration. I am even in favor of a guest worker program to fill jobs that are needed in this country. I agree that Mexicans are good hard working people with great family values. I agree I would find it hard to live in a corrupt country that does not support its people. I tell you though if I had to live in another country I would certainly learn the language knowing that it would be the only way to get ahead. It is illegal immigration that are endangering our country because there is no way to regulate the numbers that come here, thus we are unable to provide for the new arrivals adequately so they can succeed. Instead, they are set up for failure and doomed to stay in the underclass cleaning our toilets and picking our food for life.
I oppose this slave labor underclass that has developed because of illegal immigration. I oppose the fact that legal immigrants have a much more difficult time getting good paying jobs and experiencing the American dream because they have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs and wages. I oppose seeing poor Latin Americans be exploited by unscrupulous thieving pieces of trash employers that pay them dimes under the table. They should be put in prison for a very long time and never be eligible for a business license anywhere in the United State ever again. I am opposed to Mexico exporting their poor instead of dealing with them there because of their massive corruption that they will not address. I am opposed to groups like MECHA and La Raza (The Race) that openly advocate creating an apartheid style Hispanic only nation of Aztlan in what is now the American South West (including Utah). I am opposed to Mexico wanting to take back what they say is theirs because they had it first when in fact they stole it from the Amerindians that had it before.
I am opposed to multiculturalism because it is unity that made this country great, not diversity. It does not mean that I oppose diversity, however I know that diversity without unity is Balkanization which has been shown to cause conflicts and wars. Unity means that we are a diverse people working in freedom for a common goal of the pursuit of happiness and a better life for all. Not diverse people competing for their own cultural dominance (which is what multiculturalism has become).
That is what I oppose, not good hardworking people that naturally yearn for what America has to offer.
For information on La Raza, and Mecha read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/aztlan.html
March 1st, 2008 at 9:15 pm
“It’s your only path to Kolob”.
Head south on I-15 and exit #16 south of Cedar City. Head towards Hurricane, pass through, until you get to Virgin Utah. Take a left up the Kolob Canyon Rd.(signs for that entrance of the park) Drive 2.5 miles, on your right will be a clearing(fenced)surrounded by meadow, Cottonwoods will be visible, take the right in there…A fork of the Virgin River(Kolob Creek?) border the east side. Camp for free, it is a tiny piece of BLM, and as close to Zion as you can get for nothing.
That part of the Park, is much less traveled.
Last time I was there, not a soul bothered me, except for Cliff and 3 New Yorkers.
March 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Cliff
Speaking of cigi, I have a photo of Barack Obama smoking a cigarette on my
blog. I think that sets a very bad example especially since he is getting the
rock star treatment. He should quit for the sake of the kids.
Speaking of Obama, I came up with the perfect theme song for him. “Time to change” sung by the Brady Bunch kids. It’s all about change, but just like Obama it gives offers no ideas on what needs changing and what exactly to change. Obama speaks very articulately but his words are void of substance. You can see the Brady kids sing the song on my blog also.
Since I am fair minded, I also make fun of Republicans too, I have a funny photoshopped version of “No Country For Old Men” with John McCain that I created myself. Let me know what you think of it.
Just in case you are thinking it, I did not photoshop
the Obama smoking a cigarette photo.
March 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am
Ken he has quit! He is just chewing nicorette on the campaign trail.
He was coerced by his wife, michelleo’gaga, that forced him to quit, if he was to run for president, due the inherent increased stress of the pursuit.
He is such strong man that will bring us change, kinda like swapping smokes for nicorette. If he would only chew he could pick up the Redneck vote.
March 2nd, 2008 at 1:57 am
I agree that having two or more languages is harmful to a country. There’s nothing that makes me more uncomfortable then having to tell someone more then once that I can’t understand them or to be in the presence of other people talking in a language I don’t understand. I always wonder if they’re saying bad things about me. The only way I could stop that is to learn another language and that is something I definitely DON’T want to do because I don’t know if I’m smart enough. That being said, if I don’t want to learn another language, how can I expect someone else to try to learn mine if they’re old like I am or are working three jobs just to stay alive.
Don’t we have hand held devices that could translate spoken Spanish into English and visa-versa. That would at least help.
If Democrats are elected. I’ll bet they’ll offer free classes for people to learn English.
March 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 am
Ken:
I like the title of your blog and the subtitle is clever also. Did you make those up?
March 2nd, 2008 at 2:57 am
I did come up the the name Oblogitory Anecdotes. I got the subtitle from a cartoon drawing that said “everyone is entitled to my opinion” I thought it pretty well describes why people blog. Besides it’s true, I am obligated to write political anecdotes because you are all entitled to my opinion and I wouldn’t want to deny you that right. hee hee.
OBTW When I said that Barack Obama should quit for the sake of the kids I wasn’t just talking about the cigarettes.
March 2nd, 2008 at 7:12 am
If recognising two languages is likely to shred THIS nation, it seems the ‘one world govt’ proposed by the syndicate of crooks presently at the helm is headed for some difficult times as well. But, I’ve noticed a diminuition in the number of languages that are even used, so perhaps there’s hope after all. Let’s just give it another six months.
Somebody upthread put Americas problems where they rightfully belong - upon the recent Republican attempts to govern. That has my punked Diebold vote.
March 2nd, 2008 at 7:30 am
Wow Ken, Your NEW position in immigration is left of McCain and verges on downright liberal. As for the apologetics (”I also make fun of Republicans to”), luckily, we have years of archives that I bet prove otherwise.
Just for fun, SHOW me where you made fun of any republicans (excepting the closet homos). I’ll flog myself it you can.
The Obama smoking presents an interesting dilemma. If its such a bad example, which is worse, that he used to smoke (he quit. Do you know how long ago?), or that YOU POSTED THE PICTURE ON THE INTERNET EXPOSING IT POTENTIALLY TO MILLIONS OF KIDS?
March 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
Smokin’ Terrists, thier wives and families, is all good though. Smoke em over there so we won’t be seen as bad people if we have to smoke em here? What’s my problem here? Anybody. It can’t be Nicarette.
March 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
Truth be told Mexico is not a poor country, it’s a corrupt country! There’s a difference. Mexicans do not live in horrible poverty. People in Nigeria, Bangladesh and Vietnam live in horrible poverty. If our goal were to offer an opportunity for a better life to people living in abject poverty, Mexico would not even be on the list of countries we would look at. IF after providing all available American workers with a job that pays a decent, living wage we still need workers for agriculture or such, why not bring in people from other countries who truly do need a helping hand?
People who could not possibly pay a coyote thousands of dollars to smuggle them into the US? People who would appreciate an opportunity to work in the US on a temporary work visa and go home with a tidy nest egg? People from countries who have not fleeced the taxpayers of America. Countries whose leaders have not meddled in our immigration affairs with the intention of subverting our legal immigration system. Slam the door shut on Mexico and lock it. The world is awash in unskilled labor. We can get any workers we need from other countries. We don’t need the people from south of the border. Let’s lend a hand to people who will respect our laws and not burn our flag in the streets.
There are plenty of jobs in Mexico. Unfortunately, we just happen to share a border with Mexico so Mexican leaders backed by their rich elitists ship their uneducated and poor to us to employ and take care of. Truth is, Mexicans realize that the jobs in Mexico pay significantly less with little benefits (thanks to their corrupt and oppressive government) than in the U.S. Why labor in Mexico at the wages being offered because they can make 10 times as much in this country. Why sweep a floor in Mexico for $7 dollars a day when you can come here illegally and make $7 an hour sweeping the same floor. Further, our generous social systems will actually pay you to have babies and give those babies citizenship, thereby providing an anchor to your presence. So on top of your $7 under the table wage, you can get an anchor baby, food stamps, housing subsidies, access to no cost medical care, education, and a bevy of activist support groups and immigration lawyers that will help you stay here.
It’s as if they have hit the lottery and you can bet these people will never go back to Mexico so long as they have the economic incentive and a host of facilitators and advocates that abet their presence to remain here in this country.
March 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 am
Cliff
I did not photoshop the Obama photo, However I did find it on the internet so I can’t absolutely guarantee someone else didn’t photoshop it. However since he did smoke prior to running, it probably is genuine. I am glad to hear he stopped smoking. Since that is the case I will remove the photo. How is that for being fair minded huh?
Also my view on immigration is not new. Everything I mentioned in that post I have written about before.
March 4th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Terrific: Illegal alien students registering US voters
By Michelle Malkin • March 3, 2008 11:09 PM
Sovereignty? What sovereignty? The Tri-Valley Herald headlines a story about illegal alien students registering voters and lobbying for the shamnesty college tuition break DREAM Act this way: “Legal or not, immigrants are getting political on campus.â€
“Jose Ruiz is like many college students.
He’s outspoken. He’s politically active. And, most importantly, he wants to make sure as many people as possible hit the polls come Election Day.
Why? Because he can’t. Ruiz is an illegal immigrant.
Buoyed by Super Tuesday’s record Latino voter turnout, a San Jose State University student group — made up of both legal and illegal residents — is planning a widespread, grass-roots campaign to register voters, especially those who can speak for them at the polls.
“I don’t need to live in the shadows anymore,†said Ruiz, a 24-year-old San Jose State student whose mother brought him from Mexico on a tourist visa when he was a child.
The campaign is already sparking some controversy, with immigrant advocates applauding the students’ efforts and opponents arguing their efforts could have grave consequences for U.S. citizens. No matter the reaction, though, it’s another step forward for the group known as Student Advocates for Higher Education, which has challenged lawmakers to pass a bill granting certain illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship if they graduate from college…
… Such activism is nothing new, but experts say this movement, led by illegal immigrants enrolled in college, is the latest phenomenon to grow from marches held across the country in 2006 to call attention to immigration reform.
Those marches, experts believe, may have played a role in the unprecedented number of Latinos who turned out to vote in California’s Democratic presidential primary Feb. 5.
“It encouraged and politicized people,†said Stanford University history Professor Al Camarillo, considered an expert on Latino issues.
Anyone can lead a voter registration drive, academics have noted, but it’s unusual for those who are legally barred from participating in democracy to take such strides to play a part in the electoral process.”
An inconvenient reminder for you about where the leading presidential candidates stand on the DREAM Act illegal alien magnet:
Hillary is for it.
Obama is for it.
John McCain wasn’t just for it. He was a co-sponsor of The DREAM Act in 2005 and 2007, led the fight for the comprehensive shamnesty bill that included the DREAM Act of 2006.
What would he say about illegal alien students registering American voters?
His half-hearted robo-answer vowing to “Secure the Borders†is not sufficient.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/03/terrific-illegal-alien-students-registering-us-voters/
March 5th, 2008 at 7:15 am
Illegal Immigrants Register U.S. Voters
Tue, 03/04/2008 – Judicial Watch Corruption Chronicles
Confidently asserting that they no longer need to live in the shadows, illegal immigrant students at a major public university have launched a grass-roots campaign to register voters who can speak for them at the polls since they are not eligible to cast ballots.
The student group at California’s San Jose State University is also pushing lawmakers to pass legislation granting illegal immigrants a pathway to U.S. citizenship when they graduate from college. California is one of nine states that offer illegal immigrants reduced resident tuition at its taxpayer-funded colleges and universities.
Already benefiting from a coveted taxpayer-financed perk reserved for legal residents of the state, the illegal alien students are planning to register thousands of voters that agree with their views and can help them elect a president that is pro illegal immigrant: http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/localnews/ci_8435467
Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have supported legislation (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors or DREAM Act) that would make nearly 400,000 illegal immigrants eligible for legal status and subsequent U.S. citizenship if they graduate from college. It would also grant illegal aliens discount in-state tuition at all of the nation’s public colleges.
Activism on college campuses is hardly a new concept, but this movement is unique because it illustrates tremendous boldness in those who violate U.S. federal law yet have no fear of deportation or any other punitive consequence for their action.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-register-u-s-voters