Larry BerganI Hit The Big Time!
At MichaelMoore.com
The Tribune did an nice article today about my six year quest to Impeach Bush, and landed me on Michael Moore’s front page with a link to the article in his archives. It really wasn’t for nothing!
Thanks Pomera.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Congrats, Larry.
Soon you’ll have your own Wikipedia page like this guy.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Congratulations, Larry!!
And good luck getting our Utah brethren to think outside the box.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
jdberger:
As I yell out to some of my detractors, you can also “stay comfortable!”
Albert O:
You’d be surprised how many do. It’s mostly our leaders that make us look foolish.
July 4th, 2008 at 6:13 am
As a Mormon in Illinois, I applaud your courage. Utah is a pretty red state. Even the bulk of my brethren in Illinois vote Republican. It makes for some interesting conversation. I think the Republican agenda and actions run counter to the gospel. I support you.
July 4th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Larry, I actually didn’t know you started before the invasion of Iraq. That puts you out front of most Americans, but you’re in the majority now. Happy 4th of July!
July 4th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Check this out you happy Bush fanatics (Ken, Bob and jd):
http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/video.php
The book appears sufficiently condensed in substance that even morons belonging to the 23% club can understand it!!
July 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I’m on Michael Moore’s front page today with picture. I am honored to be recognized by this truly brave American!
Thanks to all! Although this is a landmark day for me, it is a generally a sad July 4th for the country and I know most people aren’t missing that fact.
July 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Nice job, Larry! Keep up the great work!
July 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
C’mon, Albert. It’s Independence Day. A victory for Enlightenment thinkers everywhere. Why do you have to be so nasty.
Bugliosi’s an attention whore. But I’ll read his book anyway.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Bugliosi doesn’t have to whore out for attention. He did a radio show with Mike Malloy and said every time he comes out with a book, people clamor to interview him. In this case everybody is scared, and just opts out.
People have trouble pronouncing his name. He said the worst case was when somebody, hilariously, referred to him as “Vincent Bela Lugosi.”
The thing that strikes me, and should stand out to anybody paying attention, is the fact that Charles Manson is, and was infinitely less dangerous and destructive then Bush. Bugliosi sure doesn’t shy away from controversy.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:55 am
tc:
Utah was comprised mostly of Democrats until 1978. People here became very concerned about corruption and started voting Republicans in. I simply don’t get why we can’t seem to break the trend now that corruption nationally as well as locally is rampant.
July 5th, 2008 at 1:15 am
That’s great, Larry.
You should try that slogan at MoveOn.
Free Manson. Less Dangerous than Bush!
July 5th, 2008 at 9:37 am
jdberger:
You and Bob S are the ones that supports sociopaths and are proud of it, not me.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Enjoy the 15 minutes!!
July 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
The reason that we cannot break the stranglehold on power in this country is that people just don’t wish to accept that it is no longer a real democracy.
Last 8 years and Democrat complicity should clue all into that.
The opposition talks a blue streak, but that has been about all.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
That’s priceless … and soooo true!!!!
July 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Jilly:
So far, I can still get out in the street with a sign, but that’s about it. It is a sad time for America.
July 5th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
And post rants for all the world to see, and print a publish books critical of the Government, make films critical of the government, write letters to the editor critical of the government… etc etc etc….
Oh…you’re SO Supressed….Whahhhh…such a victim..
July 6th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Why doesn’t Michael Moore have a TV show jd? It would be a guaranteed money maker and I’m sure he’d love to do it. Glen Beck gets to threaten Moore’s life and have a TV show that nobody watches. Anybody, anywhere in the nation can turn on a radio any time of the day and hear right wing viewpoints, but other side is blocked out unless you have enough money.
Right wingers are crying like babies because they can’t have more. There there now. Go to sleepy.
I guess I’m supposed to thank right wingers for all of the liberties they haven’t been quite able to shut down. I wouldn’t hold your breath.
July 6th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Larry,
Sorry to bust your bubble, but the only reason the “other side” is blocked out is no audience for that view point on the radio.
The reason for the hullaboo from the right is the left is screaming about re-implementing the fairness doctrine as a way of controlling the radio waves. Notice the left isn’t yelling about implementing fairness doctrine in newspapers, where most of the media is liberal to very liberal. There is not a huge cry to balance the television news; again because of the slant to the left. Nope, liberals only want “fairness” on the radio where they don’t dominate.
Why didn’t Air America become a success? It is not because of lack of money, but because the viewpoints aren’t anything new, everybody hears them from the tv, the newspapers, and the web on sites like Huffington Post and Daily Kos. It’s not because of lack of money either.
Both sides are trying to shut down liberties, just different ones and primarily for different reasons. As I’ve noted before; liberals want a different version of equality. An equality of outcome; not opportunity. That is why most liberals favor a progressive tax rate instead of a flat tax; so that the INCOME can be re-distributed. The same thing applies for the ‘fairness doctrine’; it’s not enough that anyone can start a radio station, but since the “left” isn’t equally represented, things have to change. Sorry, not buying it.
July 6th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Bottom line, ad revenue decides content on the radio. The papers are going down, and talk radio has never been healthier.
Like anything though, if you don’t like the content change the station, don’t read the paper. Talk radio wouldn’t be booming if the content didn’t resonate with a public that supports the sponsors.
The fairness doctrine does exist, rustle up some money, get some stations onboard, and have at spreading your political views.
I believe what progressives have misunderstood all along, is that talk radio is entertainment, and the crashing of Air America is indicative of what was talked about on stations that carried it. Plain and simple, it was boring, and people stopped listening, and sponsors stopped paying for ads. If you can’t make money then you are gone.
Rush, for whatever he is, has just signed a contract for 400 million. That would not happen if no one listened to him. The contract is for 10 years, so his company is quite confident that his spew is what the market wants to hear. Can’t sell ad time if people aren’t listening. That is the fairness doctrine in reality. No laws can ever change this. People are not going to listen to crap they don’t want to hear. You listening to Rush Larry?
Start doing something entertaining and meaningful on radio, and maybe people would listen.
July 6th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Larry, did you know that Michael Moore had a TV show? “TV Nation” was on for two seasons and won an Emmy in 1995.
July 6th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Another indication that Norman Mailer hit the nail on the head when he stated circa 2004 following the reelection of Bush that America has become a nation of “stupid and susceptible people.” That Americans find entertaining the hate and fear mongering folks like Rush and Hannity have to offer is, really, quite pathetic, but quite telling at the same time! Stupid and susceptible!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Richard:
TV Nation was the highlight of my week when it was on. I couldn’t get home quick enough to watch it. There was true democracy, right there on my television. Moore always had an introduction to the next weeks show at the end, and the last show was no exception. The program was yanked just as the Smothers Brothers and countless programs since! Moore beamed that HBO was going to let him do a show not too long ago. Anybody seen that one?
Bob S and Jilly are so far off the mark that I don’t even know where to begin. As I said somewhere recently, KSL, the local Hannity and O’Reilly vehicle, has one left wing show on for one hour a week, (a half hour if you take out the ads), which advertises the show, saying “the opinion you’ve never heard before”. That really says it all. If Hannity and Limbaugh are right, and the media is liberal…
Well, I think you get my drift!
Print media liberal. Oh, stop it! Any paper in this nation that doesn’t have the headline “Bush Must Be Tried For Murder” is NOT liberal!
July 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
No, I do not listen to Hannity or Limbaugh. There’s no reason to listen to lies with the exception of checking in to see what line is being fed to the “Republican Noise Machine”, and I don’t even do that more then once or twice a year.
The lie that left wing radio is boring and nobody wants to hear it is a myth almost as big as the great flood, but shills like Bob S and jdberger will continue to spout it until people like me get tired of wasting our time responding to them. It’s fun being able to knock down arguments so easily, but I really shouldn’t even try.
July 6th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Larry,
Please let me know what I am; I thought I was a NRA lobbyist, now you say I’m a “Republican Noise Machine” shill. Which is it?
Sorry you think it’s a myth but reality proves otherwise about the leftist talk radio. Or is there a massive conspiracy to keep people from listening to something broadcast?
As far as listening to lies, please consider Cliff’s record on this site with the facts. How many times have JD, John, Ken or I destroyed his “facts”. Have you called him on his lies? This is what lessens my opinion of you considerably. You claim to want the truth, but when lies are presented by your side; I don’t see you calling people out on it.
Show me any reason why, other than people not wanting to listen, that liberal talk radio hasn’t succeeded?
As the old saying goes “Put up or shut UP”
July 6th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Destroyed him on his facts??????
Dream on, dude!!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Albert,
You really need to sue your schools that supposedly educated you. Your reading comprehension stinks.
I didn’t say we destroyed Cliff, JUST his facts. Over and over again, the numbers put up by “our” side proved accurate and Cliff’s not as accurate. From 2nd amendment (heck, John, JD & I provided most of the same information as in the SCOTUS majority opinion) to the % of entitlements; it was usually our information that proved accurate.
July 6th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Larry if you wish to listen to liberal content, you must listen in to markets that support the agenda, San Francisco for instance, you can listen to progressive radio for the most part on KGO. Ever listen late night to Ray? Now that is boring, excellent for falling asleep to. It streams perfectly, all day long, on the web.
BTW, you have refuted nothing, things stay on commercial media because they draw ad revenue, plain and simple. The “right wing noise machine” exists because it makes money for the networks. 2 years is about all the time that left wing radio can make money repeating the same progressive saw day in day out. Don’t know why the public doesn’t bore of the right wing version, but they seemingly do not.
Are you to tell me that the right wing noise machine is a plot to destroy what could be an Eden in progressive America? That it is funded by secret monies piled on by conservative contributers in secret, washed up and then recorded as valid ad revenue? The numbers don’t lie Larry, right wing talk radio makes MONEY, and that is how you stay on the air.
You should listen more than twice a year, it pays to know the enemy. If you are convinced that the public isn’t bored to death by liberal ranting, you cannot be helped to see the truth. I am in no way saying the left doesn’t produce quality programming, but the fact is, not many people are interested in it.
Things that don’t sell ad time end up on the media scrap heap.
Rush, whatever anyone thinks has a loyal fan base, committed to his entertainment value. You Larry are vesting far too much concern into something that isn’t so much political, as simple entertainment.
In addition it is a concern that you may be watching too much television. Does your family know that you rush home to watch TV after work? It is for a grown man, sort of a sad thing.
July 6th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Bob S:
You have raised this a time or two in the past, so here is the info:
Vermont: BS and MS in Mechanical Eng,
Princeton: MS, MA and Ph.D in Mechanical & Aerospace Eng.
Utah: Law degree ( my most significant post-graduate contribution being defending 5 Algerian nationals in habeas proceedings at Gitmo).
I have probably told you more now than I prefer, but have at it nonetheless…..
July 7th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Hmmm.
Albert sounds like a dang east coast educated liberal with a dose of Utah thrown in for kicks. Bob S. has a tough road to how on this case, but i’M sure he’ll do his best.!!!
July 7th, 2008 at 2:36 am
Bob Somebody says:
Well Bob Noname, you asked for it, so I’m going to hit you right in the face with it. I’m sure you’ll be back tomorrow asking the same exact question like the good little Republican rising star you are, but here you go anyway.
Hannity and Limbaugh were all giddy about Air America declaring bankruptcy a while back and saying the exact same lies you’re telling here about left wing talk radio having no listeners because it’s boring. We’re supposed to believe that a thousand people calling to tell Hannity that he’s a great American is riveting entertainment that Americans can’t get enough of and even though anybody anywhere can turn on their radio and get Limbaugh for free need to have him on satellite so they can pay for it.
Here’s a pesky little memo that puts the myth to rest. It seems that 90 of the gosh darnedest largest corporations in the world didn’t want Air America to survive, so instead of letting Americans like you and me vote with their wallets, they decided to cast their vote with a secret blackout.
The free market in action!
Wow! Are there any corporations that AREN’T on the list?
I haven’t had time to listen to Ray Taliaferro for a while, but absolutely love his style. I have to admit, the last time I tuned in the show was indeed in danger of becoming more boring. He divulged the fact that he just wasn’t getting as many right wingers calling the show any more. It was fascinating and hilarious listening to Ray hand them their asses over and over again in real time. He is a true artist. You really have to find a new pastime Bob. The phony “Republican Revolution” has grown flaccid and it is dragging you down.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Albert O:
Impressive!
July 7th, 2008 at 2:55 am
Yikes! I made “The Raw Story” too?
When’s the sneak n’ peek?
July 7th, 2008 at 5:29 am
Albert,
I don’t care what schools you went to, you just proved what I was saying. You can not comprehend what is written.
I noted that we’ve destroyed Cliff’s FACTS, you claim I said we destroyed him. Wrong.
I ask you to SUE the schools, you claim I wanted to know what schools. Wrong.
You claim there is a “secret blackout”, but produce a memo.
Are you saying that corporations shouldn’t be able to decide where they advertise?
You’ve proved my point once again, corporations are in the business of making money. If people were listening to Air America; there would be advertisers.
If people wanted to hear their country demeaned, debased and generally maligned, there were be listeners. And the companies would take note of that and advertise.
There is no big conspiracy here, just the marketplace working exactly as it should.
Reading comprehension failure, failure to understand basic economics; Yes, I think you should sue your schools. All of them failed to provide you with a basic education or you fail to use it.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Bob S,
Even in the face of someone as educated and credentialed as Albert, you still seem reluctant to listen and learn.
Would it be unreasonable to suggest that Bob S has no intellectual curiosity?
Where does your confidence come from? Really.
DO you have any credentials? COULD you get a job teaching 3rd grade?
July 7th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Cliff,
Educated does not mean wise, attending college doesn’t mean someone learned something.
Yes, it would be unreasonable to suggest that I have no intellectual curiosity. I’ve demonstrated that I’m knowledgeable on several subjects here. And as I’ve stated, I’m intellectually curious enough to come up with factual information, correct data and references. Care to check records on who has a greater consistency in posting which information is accurate?
I have credentials if that matters, I could get a job teaching 3rd graders. In fact, from your maturity level, reading and comprehension abilities, I thought I was doing that here.
(Sorry, one of the few personal attacks I’ll indulge in but after all the name calling and pettiness from you, I don’t feel too bad.)
To answer the questions that does not matter; I have an Associates of Arts from a local community college and a Bachelors of Business Management from a Texas college.
My confidence comes from my convictions and my willingness to learn. Like you Cliff, I paid my own way to college.
No one’s education or credentials matter to me, whether or not they are right, accurate, honest and can coherently express themselves does matter. Albert failed to accurately read or comprehend what I said; on several occasions.
Here is the thing that I think ticks you off the most about me Cliff; I don’t bow down to your “superior” credentials. I actually believe in that “all men are created equal” bit. I don’t automatically assume because someone has an advanced degree or went to a prestigious institute of higher learning that they know what they are talking about. I expect to examine every bit of information, test it against my beliefs, test it against other information for accuracy; and then determine what it means. I expect others to do the same of my information or ideas.
Larry’s post is a great example of this; he thinks because business choose not to advertise on Air America there is some great conspiracy. I disagree; I see companies making decisions on where to get the best return for their money. Show me evidence otherwise and I’ll change my mind.
By the way, welcome back. Hope your vacation was enjoyable.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Larry, there’s also KPFA, NPR and a whole host of other radio stations…. that toe the progressive line.
Nephi - it is “a tough row to hoe” not “a tough road to how”.
Albert, congratulations on your education. But, to paraphrase Cliff, how does an engineering degree qualify you to comment on political and philosophical topics? Where are your credentials? :p
Finally, regarding the “secret blackout memo” - it really concerns me that Exxon and WalMart wouldn’t want to financially support a radio program that regularly villifies them. Personally, I’m SHOCKED, SHOCKED I say.
July 7th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Cliff,
Here is a great read for you, with some selected quotes for those unwilling to click through.
The Disadvantages of an Elite Education
Our best universities have forgotten that the reason they exist is to make minds, not careers -By William Deresiewicz
Even in this article, the prejudice remains:
I’ll be happy with my degree from a podunk little college in Texas.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Having graduated fro one of elitist of the elite east coast Ivies, I can assure you that not all graduates walk away with the attributes you suggest. With all due respect, I am starting to read your posts as being written by a Podunk redneck who is proud of taking it up the ass by GWB.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Really? With all due respect?
Gosh - make sure you let us know when you’re insulting someone.
(Albert? Is that really you?)
July 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Alberto and Nephi are the same person, and that person is Jim Farmer, from Stowe Vermont.
Cliff and Jim are old friends from the University of Vermont, and have been at this kind of nonsense since the old days of put up letter campaigns to the SL Tribune before the internet took over.
All those credentials and they still can’t get it right. I refer to the instruction to them over the 2nd, Cliff mainly, and how it didn’t turn out their way. It is an old story.
You have to be amazed that such a incredulous credentialed lot can’t seem to get one over on the “imbecile” bush that has run their kind inside out ragged for the last 8 years.
Sometimes it pays to be practical. Sure looks like bush has the credentialed number, and one heck of a plumbers monkey wrench, and he isn’t done yet by the look of things due to the flaccid response of the majority in Congress.
Now you are all on an even footing even if you are not all from ivy league (bush league?, he is a Yalie after all) schools.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I hate being without my tin foil hat because it actually helps filter out the static from the noise machine, however, I will really, really try to see another reason for not allowing left wing radio hosts on the public airwaves. The managers are actually buying into the lie that nobody wants to listen to left wing views despite the fact the Democrats won the House and Senate. They are just like the music stations that, instead of going against the formula and letting us hear something new and exciting, they are afraid to take any risks which result in much greater success. Don’t forget, executives at CBS thought “I Love Lucy” was a terrible idea.
NAH!
It’s just censorship! jd has it right this time. Giant corporations don’t want to financially support a radio program that regularly vilifies them. It doesn’t have one thing to do with what customers want, which is what made Rock and Roll the biggest thing going in the sixties and beyond; DIVERSITY. Sorry Bob Somebody/Nobody.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Nope: Not me. Bob’s post states emphatically that he was not good enough for an east coast school; hence he went to a podunk school in Bush country. Maybe that’s the source of his bitterness … and continuing support for the Texas war criminals!
July 7th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Really, Albert? Where did Bob S. suggest that he wasn’t “good enough for an East Coast school”?
Larry, why should corporations support a radio program that calls them names?
How about this little experiment. Everytime you post, make sure to place the phrase, “Larry’s thoughts are scrambled because he huffs too much jenkem - jdberger” at the bottom. I’ll send you an eighth of a penny each time you do.
C’mon, Larry. Anything else would be censorship.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
jdberger:
I wouldn’t expect a corporation to support a program that talks them down, but that’s what’s wrong with the system and why NPR was created at taxpayer expense. To give us a balanced radio network. NPR has never been left wing, it just sometimes broadcasts things right wingers don’t like because the truth hurts.
It’s still censorship!
Who do you respect more:
1. A radio host who makes half a billion dollar deals and always tows the corporate line?
OR
2. A radio host who keeps losing his job to tell the truth?
And could you tell me why?
July 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
jd:
Don’t be such a tool. Everyone knows that most who didn’t apply to or get into East Coast Ivy schools are simply not good enough … Bob gives all appearance of fitting that definition.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Jim, Alberto if you please…stop faking the reading comprehension failures, you’re a damn lawyer fer Chris sakes! Add something meaningful before the judges object to your line of nonsense.
C’mon Jim, Albert V-05, Kneepie, bush isn’t from Texas, he’s from Connecticut already!!
Larry, stop watching TV, it is rotting your brain. NPR is grant subsidized and funded by like minded peoples generous contributions. Then again, my truly progressive friends know it for the biased crap it is, and name it National Petroleum Radio for all the Mobil/Exxon sponsorship. Yes, and now it is supported by Mall Wart. Let’s see, Rushs’ sponsor for years was the independent home grown entity Ruth’s Chris Steak house, Breath Right nasal strips and a host of other small useful businesses that need the market that listens to him.
To make you feel better Larry, perhaps the poor majority simply cannot understand the high brow leftist political concepts. No listens long to what they don’t understand. Keep in mind that it has only been a few years since Congress went Democrat, the public being as fickle as the wind. Rush however has been the #1 entertainment on talk radio for over 20 years. Clearly, the man is loved, and makes people coin.
The over arching driver of TV and radio media is ENTERTAINMENT! Of course it is going to be full of controversy and the outrageous. Consider that all news casts, and punditry is just an entertainment form that is just a bit higher on the ladder than Springer.
Kum Bye Yah doesn’t sell. As W’s Daddy is quoted to have said, ” Don’t invest in the Truth, there’s no money in it”. Beautiful truth from the former head of the CIA.
If you are getting your news from those sources it will drastically cause mis-perceptions, that if I may, are clearly projecting into your political views Larry, which quite frankly, are loony.
*Had to post outing Albert V-05 twice, Cliff or whoever steers this progressive mop deleted the first one. Here is a google source review of V-05 hog wash shampoo…
“Check out A Review of Alberto V05 Sun Kissed Raspberry Herbal Shampoo, Smells Nice, but Doesn’t Work” .
Would it be possible to wring the mop every now and again? The finish on this political floor is yellowy, and dull…, dare I say BORING!
July 7th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I haven’t had much school’n myself.
Did I spell school’n right?
July 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I thought you weren’t going to talk to me anymore, glenn.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
You finally figuring things out Larry? Took ya long enough. Must be the schooling.
Jim, Neph, Alberto…good enough for what? Considering that bush is an ivy graduate from Yale, and you consider him an idiot…, and you went to one too… go figure…what is a simple man to think? Yet he President, and you but a lawyer/engineer.
Let’s rumble, we all know the ivys’ can’t play rough fer shit.
To continue on NPR, whose main sponsors are huge, economically violent dare I say, corporate sponsors. Wal-mart and Exxon. Then a bunch of brainwashed minions, just like Rush’s Dittoheads. All parties cheering their side to each unique version of the “truth”. I figure that the NPR supporters could be less intelligent, as they use their own funds to be fed dis-information.
Cognitive consonance in action, no one disagrees that what they paid for is crap, until whatever they buy disintegrates before their own eyes.
Very Hegelian, thesis anti-thesis=synthesis. The synthesis is the constant division of the people via ridiculous ideology worship in this country. Working like a charm from what I see.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Albert,
You again make false assumptions; that a choice to attend a college means I couldn’t get into other colleges. Sorry to disappoint you, but I chose the college I did based on several criteria: Christian atmosphere, degree plan, academic standing and ratings, course schedule, and it was close to home. I call it a podunk college because I dont consider it to be important as to which college it is.
As far as not being able to attend an Ivy league school; sorry again but I was actually qualified to attend a military academy in my youth. I think those are a little more selective then an Ivy league school whose main criteria seems to be whose money is paying for you to attend.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Bob:
I stand by my statement. First, I referred to “most,” not all, people who fail to attend Ivy league schools. You obviously could fall into the category outside of the “most.” Second, I stated that you give the “appearance” of one who would not make the grade. I never said you could not make the grade (although I still think it a distinct possibility).
So, sorry to disappoint you, but my words were carefully selected and true to the circumstance.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Bob S,
1. Military academies are not run by the military, nor are they financed with taxpayer dollars anymore than any other school.
2. There are exactly ZERO military colleges as competitive as the Ivies.
3. “I was actually qualified to attend a military academy in my youth.” — So is virtually anyone with an IQ over 70.
4. “I think those are a little more selective then an Ivy league school.” — Should be more selective “THAN”…
5. There is no God and therefore no son of God and as such Christian schools (including the Dallas Christian College) are not considered seriously by serious people because they are not run by serious academics.
BTW: I should let you know, the Albert who is more redneck than you will ever know, received full scholarships throughout his post graduate studies.
You should probably choose another battle because you’re digging yourself a deep hole.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
It’s true that NPR content is controlled. That’s why they barely dip their toes into election fraud, but it hasn’t always been as bad as it is now. It’s also true that a lot of money comes from corporations that don’t have the publics best interests at heart. I harshly criticized one of my favorite hosts from NPR on a post here, but it’s still light years ahead of most corporate radio which calls itself “entertainment” when they’re lying to us and get caught. For crying out loud, FOX even went to court to make sure it wasn’t illegal for them to lie!
Answer me a question glenn. Why should I believe anything you say about others on this blog including Cliff? You come here all the time with a new name and I guess we’re supposed to think you’ve made fools of us by doing so. The goal of your ravings seems to be getting everybody to give up trying to make our society better. If that’s your goal, all you need to type is “give up” and we can stop wasting our time, or you could pick your spirits up from time to time and offer positive suggestions.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Parsing Jim, well lawyered, after the fact mind you. The jury is watching.
#5 Cliff, purely subjective, as silly as saying there is a god.
Glad you have at least begun to quit kidding yourself Larry. Lies are lies, no matter who speaks them. If what you offer is better, and I’m sure it is not, then the forces of history will take hold, and all things dis-functioning at the level our current society is, come to the grief of collapse.
NPR and Fox are closer to each other than they appear, it is all the same BS, just made to appeal to different audiences, the end result is the same. Best joke is that the listeners pay to listen to NPR.
It has been decided Larry that as a matter of law, it is not illegal to lie on the idiot box, for anyone. This should give you an indication of how far gone the Country has fallen.
I gave you a positive suggestion Larry, I told you to stop watching fucking TV, it is about all that could be done for you.
You don’t have to believe me, I am unconcerned if you do or don’t. The only purpose of what I point out, which is true by the way, and sad for you really, is to point out the glaring hypocrisy, while the lot of us fiddle, as Rome burns.
I could also say what you are engaged in is little more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, and if you had the sense, you might want to find yourself a boat that will take you. Or go down with the ship, unless you, like those who built the Titanic, believe this country to be unsinkable. You at least provide some deck entertainment as the ship wallows.
If you think I’ve made you a fool Larry, I apologize, it is not my intent, you do all too well on your own, I don’t mean to interfere. Glenn once gave the reason WHY he doesn’t necessarily post in his name, but you are simply too brain dead to understand it. Anonymity is a right you fool. I do believe, in fact, he even addressed you directly as to why.
Now, I have spoken for Glenn, as I know him, and if you could possibly see beyond your nose, you might know why. As for the rest of what is said about Cliff and others on this blog, be assured that Cliff and his subterfuge is known to plenty, one need only review his former life to know it. Duplicity is the game.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Cliff,
You’ve proven my point. I never asked for Albert’s credentials or his diploma’s. That’s your shtick.
Say what you will about the military academy, and I’m talking West Point, Naval Academy, Air Force Academy which are ran by the military; they are a little more selective then Ivy League schools.
Nice to know your views on religion. God believes in you regardless of your belief in him. Your disbelief also doesn’t degrade my belief or the status of my college in any way.
The point I was making is that typecasting, primarily done on this site by folks like you, Larry, Albert, etc; doesn’t work. The name calling, derision says more about your attitudes and self worth than it says about your ‘victims’.
It’s funny how a guy like me who attended a podunk little college has no trouble keeping up with the “big boys” on this site; usually it’s the ‘big boys’, as you say that often have to admit the information I’ve posted is accurate. Can you say “Heller Decision”? How about “% of Entitlements”?
Keep trying Cliff, the fact of the matter is that colleges don’t make a person intelligent nor do they insure ability to use any knowledge. Post graduate degrees or high school education are all acceptable levels of formal education. Learning shouldn’t stop at the end of your formal education. While I might not always agree with the posters here, I do learn from them.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
All military academies are financed by public monies, unless you are referring to the prep schools Cliff, which are not post secondary schools. There are a few private military colleges, but they must conform to military standard. Students attending these are given as many Pell grants, student loans, like any other college.
I’m pretty sure you have to pass a drug test, morals test, before you can attend an officer candidate school, so that is a selective process that many in Ivys can in no way pass.
Hey, we have an Ivy league president, a man that is excoriated here regularly, so the validity of what an ivy gives a person is moot to most here. On the other extreme, Bill Gates is a college dropout. Let’s see, you get to go to an ivy if your parent did as a preference, as do many depending on race and circumstance. Like W. It is not necessarily based on merit.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
This is very revealing. It catalogs the extent and the institutions of higher learning attended by all of the US presidents.
Go figure, Abraham Lincoln never graduated from college.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Oh and Larry, need I remind you that this blog as well, is nothing more than entertainment?
If you are not making a living at it, it is known as a hobby, and last time I checked, that falls under the category of entertainment as well.
This blog though, hardly rises to the level of professional entertainment.
What is attempted here Larry, by me Jilly, is to point to the fairly obvious conclusion that the methodology utilized to “change” things has not worked in decades politically. If that is true then as Einstein said, “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity”.
If you enjoy charging windmills so much the better Larry, but real change comes from sources other than what happens here. That is all I really try to point out.
July 7th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Bob:
If you insist on the correctness of Heller, then I think it a fair statement that you also insist of the correctness of Roe v. Wade and Boumediene v. Bush. Fair enough???
July 8th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Albert,
I wasn’t insisting on the correctness of Heller, but pointing out the correctness of my analysis. A major difference.
I don’t have to agree they were correct, just like I don’t expect you and the other gun grabbers to think that Heller was correct. If you or I feel a SCOTUS decision was incorrect, we should work, legally, to remedy it.
The major differences in the cases should be readily apparent to a lawyer, if you are one, such as yourself. In both Roe & Boumediene; there were no precedents to base the decisions on. In Boumediene, for the first time ever, habeas was applied to enemy combatants. In Roe, no specifically enumerated constitutionally protected right was applied. What was it “the penumbra” of a right was found?
In Heller, the Supreme Court found that a specifically enumerated right meant exactly what it said. Can you show the same constitutional basis for Roe?
That being said, while I disagree with abortion, I do think it should be legal.
Bob S.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Without reviewing the decision, I believe Roe was decided under the penumbra of right to privacy. Bob, you are to be commended for disassociating yourself from the Christians’ insistence that religious dogma should trump the Constitution by expanding the definition of life to include zygotes.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:34 am
As you can see, hypocrisy reigns supreme here, Jim Farmer who goes as Neph, as Alberto, can do so but if you disagree with any of the standard claptrap on this site, then things can be attributed to a name that explains it. As it is, I Jilly, am not Glenn, though I do use his computer.
Not all things are as obvious, as the the need to wring this mop.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Really, Cliff? Are you saying that the schools below aren’t “considered seriously by serious people”? Or are you full of crap (again)?
Boston College
DePaul University
Gonzaga University
Georgetown University
Loyola Marymount University
Loyola University Chicago
Marquette University
Pepperdine University
Santa Clara University
Seton Hall University
University of Notre Dame
University of San Diego
University of San Francisco
Villanova University
July 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Cliff,
If this was a guess at what college I attend, try again.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Geez Bob, Ya got me there. Aren’t you the clever Clyde today.
So what Christian College DID provide you your education in “usury?”
July 9th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Cliff,
Why does it matter where I was educated?
I’m not claiming any expertise based on my education, degrees or credentials.
I’m not the one placing emphasis on being educated or credentialed.
Does my degree, lack of degree, type of degree or place where I received my degree change any of the information, facts, data or opinions that I’ve posted here?
July 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Cliffy? You didn’t answer my question, above?
You have a predictable habit of ignoring the exploration of your inane outbursts.
Even Richard and Larry have better reasoned responses than you do.
So, Cliff Lyon, let’s try again, eh?
Really, Cliff? Are you saying that the schools below aren’t “considered seriously by serious people”? Or are you full of crap (again)?
Boston College
DePaul University
Gonzaga University
Georgetown University
Loyola Marymount University
Loyola University Chicago
Marquette University
Pepperdine University
Santa Clara University
Seton Hall University
University of Notre Dame
University of San Diego
University of San Francisco
Villanova University
Ya know - I missed you, Cliffy. You’re kind of loveable like a maladroit pet.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:33 am
jd:
At the risk of putting words into Cliff’s mouth, the schools you mention can be readily differentiated from Dallas Christian College. It is one thing to be affiliated with Christianity, as are, perhaps, the schools you mention, and quite another to be completely dominated by it. Indeed, DCC is a bible college whose sole purpose is to turn out ministers. I don’t think the same can be said about the colleges you mention.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Albert, you can put whatever you want in Cliff’s mouth.
But, this is what he stated.
Is this a true statement in light of the evidence I posted above? Don’t parse the parenthetical.
Are Christian schools like:
Boston College
DePaul University
Gonzaga University
Georgetown University
Loyola Marymount University
Loyola University Chicago
Marquette University
Pepperdine University
Santa Clara University
Seton Hall University
University of Notre Dame
University of San Diego
University of San Francisco
Villanova University
not considered by serious people because they are not run by serious academics?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
jd:
My statement stands on its own, and is fully responsive to your haggling. Cliff is 100% correct when he states that Christian schools such as the DCC are not taken seriously nor run by serious academics. Seems rather obvious to me.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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July 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
It is pretty obvious that serious academics are not running much serious these days in this country.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
You’re absolutely correct, Albert.
I think I’ll go razz my colleagues that attended Georgetown, Santa Clara and Pepperdine.
Be right back!
July 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Slow down, jd. No need to razz your colleagues from Gtown, SC or Pdine, as such schools have more under their belts than the manufacture of ministering nutjobs.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I could be Albert O and Nephi.
Let me assess what it is that caused me to assume this name. I have an official life and job, so actually getting my name attached to things such as the nonsense I have posted, would look bad in the face of my credentials. That would be bad if someone would google Alberto and come up with ………. name, and then the the host of credentials that are towed around by him.
This is not a personal attack, it it simply a cause to arms over the absolute right in this country to anonymity in completely recreational, meaningless places like this blog!
Credentialed people have to be careful lest the stricture of the confined net of political correctness be broken and they be seen as extremists, or worse, juveniles. It causes all manner of havoc to ones real life!
Yes, the burdens of credentials, is that one cannot really be themselves without consequence. It is enough to drive a man to drink. Talk to your friend about his behavior, that or have yourself banned.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Oh for Gods sake, now glenn/blessed rope/jilly/code/str/the jester/man of manchester/ ect, ect, ect… is using the name Jim Farmer, the guy he says is fooling us, by using the names Albert O and Nephi and says:
Cliff:
I beg of you! If there is a way to do it, please ban this guy, or anyone, unless they use one name so people can skip their comments. He is making a mockery of us.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Yes, yes indeed I am, for the mockery is imbued of the reality of the opinions you hold, and the seriousness with which you actually hold them. It is well worth the laugh.
Lighten up Larry. Oh and for sure, you don’t know the half of it. Stick your head back into the sand. It has only been this way since before you got here.
Don’t you know Jim Farmer, Larry? Or are you being kept out of the loop? To be sure Larry, Jim uses those monikers. Haven’t you figure it out yet Larry? There are only about 8 people that post on this site…jd and Bob S…and you, are about as real as it gets.
It is only of late that Cliff has adopted your religion of using a real name. This is a game Larry…don’t get played.
You are malleable Larry, I could get you to believe just about anything. Stop and review.
So now you are calling for Gods’ support? Beautiful. Usually happens when people are facing death, intellectual or otherwise.
Quit begging for Gods’ sake Larry, it is pitiful. Stand up man!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I’ll have to admit, it keeps me on my toes!