Cliff LyonDeseret News Desperate for Letters to The Editor
Huh?
I have a message for Rocky Anderson and his loony leftist buddies: If President Bush were the dictator you think he is, you would be dead or worse. You still have the right to spout your liberal Bush-hating drivel. Other than airline passengers, no one has lost any rights in this country.
Garth Woolsey
West Bountiful
It’s not so much that Garth Woolsey is dead wrong (see ACLU), or that Garth Woolsey cares about the truth, its about all the uninformed idiots who read this crap and actually think its true just because its in the paper.
In the Deseret News’ defense, these are letter written by the public and represented as such, but that doesn’t justify printed something so patently false on its face.
If The Desnews wants or needs more thoughtful or interesting letters, they should consider raising the bar an inch or two.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
What about the editorials?
And this one, right from the DEA.
People with opinions like this have national television shows. Glen Beck and Hannity are brought in to put on the Independence Day festivities. This is just normal fare.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Under normal circumstances, most people would be able to read Woolsey’s tripe and immediately recognize its patent falsehood. Instead, being educated by American Idol, Survivor, and 24, a large percentage of Americans appear to be dopes. In only the past week or two, we lost a plethora of rights due to the Bush/Republican/Establishment juggernaut.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Oops! Anonymous above was me!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Frank, are you that desperate for acceptance that you have to kiss liberal ass as often as possible?
And, last time I checked, the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress so you can’t just attribute this to the Republicans.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Jobu,
I could kick yours. But you won’t tell me who you are.
;-(
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Jobu,
You need to know that Frank Staheli is no liberal kiss ass (btw: great to hear from you Frank).
Frank is a Republican, active LDS, a leader in his community, voted for Bush the first time, served in Iraq, and is a long time contributing author at OneUtah (Frank, please correct me if wrong).
He is hardly stupid enough to respond to pathetically asinine retorts like, “Democrats controlled both houses of Congress so you can’t just attribute this to the Republicans.”
For your own good, I suggest picking a fight with someone else though I can’t say I hold out much hope (unless you are being sarcastic) for you if the best you can do is parrot tired, old republican talking points.
You sound like Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly et. al. and the other closet homosexual, child molesting, adultering, self-proclaimed religious, corrupt liars in the party.
In case you haven’t noticed, thats why the Republican party is going to take a serious spanking in November.
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Wow, Jobu. When did the Republican definition of ass-kissing become so loose? I mean, if your tongues were any further up this administrations’ collective ass over the last seven years… Well… I’m not sure how much nastier you could get, really, suffice to say, you guys made an art form of sycophancy.
DS
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Cliff,
CORRECTION: I have never voted for a Bush.
Also, I consider myself more of a Libertarian/Constitutionalist than a Republican, having voted so much more often in recent elections. The majority of your statements, though, are accurate. Thank you for your defense.
Jobu,
I realize that Democrats voted for FISA–that’s why I added the word Establishment to my description. Obama stooped so low as to vote for this lowly legislation. The reason I listed Republican before Establishment, however, is that (1) The current king is a Republican, and (2) his Republican minions in both houses of Congress were primarily and nearly all his bootlickers and water carriers on this one (FISA).
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Cliff,
For the record,
I am not a Republican
I did not vote for Bush. I voted Libertarian.
I’m not voting for McCain (or Obama).
I am not a child molester
I am not religious (but I do practice meditation once in a while. Not very good at it yet)
I am not closet homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that)
I did not say Frank was liberal. I said that he was kissing liberal ass. Big difference.
If the Democratic-controlled-Congress point is so asinine, then what’s the purpose of controlling congress? Whatever happened to accountability for those in power if we are just going to blame the minority party?
Spectacle,
My tongue is not up anyone’s ass, certainly not this administration since I did not vote for them.
Frank,
Maybe you could kick my ass. Maybe you couldn’t.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
So Cliff, in claiming that being in control of Congress is of no merit, and is really powerlessness, do you mean to tell me that an imbecile, with no better than a juvenile understanding of the mechanics of our government, simply gets his way continually because the loyal opposition has no power?
That much is obvious. That bush is able to obstruct democrats is obvious as well. What is not so clear is that the “loyal opposition” if not capable of stopping bush and his sandbag republicans…still do not even speak in terms harsh of the administration. It is embarrassing by now that democrats still fawn and fail to rip into this president on the floors of Congress.
Democrats do control both houses of Congress, so what exactly in your view there Cliff, is their problem? Why pray tell, are they so damn pathetic?
Answer required, and if there is none, it is then obvious that you are simply grandstanding, and don’t even know yourself. Who could blame you? Nobody really knows why the dems have bent over, laid down, assumed the knee pads, with this easily demonstrable corrupt administration.
Makes a person think that the whole lot of them are squanking children and engaging in secret wide eyed bungholery, not to mention payola and corruption…if this kind of backbone is what is to be expected of democrat victory come November…let’s face the facts,
We’re all fucked.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:02 am
Maybe we could all agree that it’s symptomatic of a certain mindset that those of us who care about truth in government, upholding the Constitution, and respect for the rule of law are being called “loony leftists.”
Some people are so invested in the culture wars that they fail to notice that our democracy is close to collapse.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Long live Loony Toons!
However, should you be too critical of the government, in say China you would be labeled a dissident, and then of course be put to death.
Not just any old death, but one that reduces the complaining finger pointer to something of various uses to the State. I refer to the practice of China to execute such a menace to society and then part the body out to be sold for organ transplant. This is all carefully timed as most buyers are from the more well heeled nations.
They do this now by some form of injection, and for the most part the victim is not incarcerated but at home. A van shows up on a particular date, gathers the victim up, kills them, and chops them up for transplant, ride there street side of your domicile or near the court directly after sentencing .
Why wouldn’t you run you might ask? There’s no where to hide apparently.
So this is the ghastly nation we have turned the bulk of our own economic health over to. Small wonder we find ourselves sick and dying. Try complaining about it there. If there were real dictators, the vans would be hard at work over here to be sure.
Fortunately the public has a cure, 2nd amendment.
Think this isn’t real? Here is the “van”.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:20 am
First link is for those hung up on “sourcing”. Timesonline should suffice to show it is real enough.
This link is the photo of the van, with some other particulars of what becomes of the slain.
Pretty sure the entire truck frame power plant and execution apparatus is proudly “made in china”.
Boycott the Olympics, at least don’t watch.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/prisons/assets/chinese_death_van.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/prisons/countries_different_approaches.htm&h=441&w=640&sz=34&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=tjL4iDvb3SipSM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=137&prev=/images?q=chinese+death+vans&um=1&hl=en&sa=N
August 4th, 2008 at 8:51 am
You say culture wars. As you know I lump it into tribalism.
Has anyone noticed how many new libertarians have appeared over the past several years?
These are the former Bush-loving Republicans who cannot admit they were used and whose tribal disposition requires them to take any position so long as they don’t have to hear, “I told you so.”
Same tribe really - characterized by the same criteria; hating liberals.
Trouble is (for people like Jobu) there is an elephant in the room. Most of the people who make up the “radical self-hating liberals” are mainstream Americans…about half the country including most of the former traditional republicans, the ones with backbone who refused to play along with the fear-mongering and social engineering.
Jobu, you might be able to kick everyone’s ass, but I’ll bet you don’t know the basic rules in the house and senate which have allowed the republicans to force a draw on certain legislation.
August 4th, 2008 at 9:52 am
What is to be expected Cliff? The are the “loyal opposition” for “their” side. It is their job to thwart any legislation that is deemed by their constituents, brainwashed or otherwise, to be detrimental to their wishes.
We only wish the Democrat representatives had nearly as much zeal, rather than being the “loyal doormat” of the bush administration. If you cannot get party discipline within party to stop bush dead in his tracks through pure obstructionism, you either agree with the guy, or just plain don’t get it as a party, and thereby suck beyond any reasonable measure.
To blame this now on republicans is trite and obvious, move on to the glaring deficiencies of the Democrat party these last 8 years. The public well knows, and is acting upon the drastic reality, that both parties don’t, have not, had their best interests in mind.
“about half the country including most of the former traditional republicans, the ones with backbone who refused to play along with the fear-mongering and social engineering”.
Replace democrat with republican and what you srote could have come out of Limbaughs’ mouth.
Hegel would be proud. The division created by elites is profound, to the extent that the proponents of each tribe, cannot see the image of the other in what they claim to represent.
It is a fantastic social observation. As the French say…”the more things change, the more they stay the same”.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:11 am
glenn:
You forget that now people are being put under oath in important hearings. That’s not exactly the “same.”
August 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Jobu the killer whale:
Who or what do you support?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Glenn (who is),
I’m not defending the democrats, God knows.
But to try to put all bad things on them because they have a slight majority in the house and even smaller in the Senate, is a canard.
What the uninformed don’t understand, is that current rules in both houses require more votes than the dems have in a strictly partisan vote, to shut down debate and vote.
That means the Republican can mount an effective filibuster on anything, which they have done hundreds of times since they got their slim majority.
But again, that doesn’t mean the dems are not weak-kneed losers as a caucus.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:51 am
The dems have been waiting anxiously for the other anthrax card to be played as well. It is to grizzle.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I know the Dems point to their slim majorities and arcane congressional rules to explain why the Republicans still run the show now, but logically when they were the opposition, they ought to have been able to use the same parliamentary tricks. Why didn’t they filibuster the USA PATRIOT Act, or the Military Commissions Act?