It’s A Pro Choice Country
There are some problems with the polling questions as Jesse points out but it shows Americans are pro-choice:
I’m not a particular fan of the “legal under any circumstances” versus “legal only under certain circumstances” distinction, if only because I think most people can think up at least one circumstance where someone shouldn’t be allowed to get an abortion that would immediately push them into the more restrictive second group - most of them revolving around non-medical late-term abortions. But regardless, what we see above is that 82% of America supports abortion rights of some sort. Seventeen percent don’t.
Digging into the numbers over at Gallup, there’s some interesting stuff.
For instance, the “illegal under all circumstances” number has never been higher than the “legal under any circumstances” number. The closest its ever been were three polls in 2005; today the “illegal” group is 17% and “legal” group is 28%.
The gallup poll also points out that 71% of Americans do not want Roe v Wade overturned.
Drew Westen at HuffPo writes:
. . . the concept of life is what cognitive psychologists call a “fuzzy set” — a concept that doesn’t have clear boundaries. Unconsciously, most people view a newly fertilized embryo as qualitatively different from a late-term fetus because it doesn’t seem like a person. But the point at which a fetus seems to us more like a person than not is indeterminate.
Regardless of their conscious beliefs — that life begins at conception or that life begins when a baby takes its first breath — most people’s feelings follow their unconscious perceptions. That’s why early in pregnancy even most evangelical Christians find it morally repugnant to force a rape victim to bear her rapist’s child, even though they may consciously believe that the fertilized egg is a life, whereas late in pregnancy most people aren’t comfortable with abortion except in exceptional circumstances. In their guts, most people feel that Roe v. Wade got it about as right as we’re going to get it — which is why the vast majority of Americans don’t want it overturned — even if they can’t articulate why.
(Emphasis added.)
In a post at Feministe, Shannon writes:
Nowhere is it more difficult to obtain an abortion than it is in South Dakota. Women who are faced with abortion are also faced with a slew of regulations and restrictions . . . parental notification, 24 hour waiting periods, women must be asked if they wish to see their sonogram, and they go through mandatory education about their options. A recent 8th Circuit Court ruling just changed that education to include a message from the doctor where he or she must tell the patient that she is “terminating the life of a whole, separate unique, living separate human being.” On top of that, the doctor must tell the patient that having an abortion will increase her risk of suicide and depression despite the fact that there is absolutely no proof to support this claim.
It’s no wonder anti-choice extremists chose South Dakota as their battleground, and South Dakota residents as their pawns.
Americans don’t want Roe v. Wade overturned by a noisy, zealous, minority that keeps pushing the issue. But they can’t quite figure out how to fight back and with screaming anti-choicers calling everyone a baby killer, there’s no room for any kind of rational discussion. There is a solution - coincidentally -that has the potential to reduce the abortion rate in the US.
Effective, comprehensive life span sexuality education combined with easy access to contraception greatly reduce the need for abortion by preventing unintended pregnancies. It’s a simple solution to the problem but it is one that is unacceptable to anti-choice activists for one simple reason - the majority of them are also oppposed to contraception. Amanda Marcotte:
On the policy issue—”life begins at conception” has morphed in anti-choice activism from just an attack on abortion and is now an attack on woman-controlled contraception, especially the birth control pill. There’s a convulted woo reason for why the pill is “abortion”, but it’s irrelevant because they made it all up in an attempt to shoehorn a pre-existing faith-based belief into secular law. From the personal belief system of the anti-choice nuts, it’s clear that they consider all forms of contraception to be assaults on the natural male need to dominate women’s bodies through pregnancy, and “abortion” is a code word for anything that women can do or insist on to escape their fate as flowerpots to demonstrate male virility.* In this view, even condoms are “abortion”. They’re just not going to roll out those arguments until the anti-pill arguments are mainstreamed. But it’s on the agenda, which is why international HIV funding has been tied to anti-condom initiatives.
Here’s the thing that wingnuts seem to not get: if abortion is legal, you always have the choice of not getting one, if contraception is legal you always have the option of not using it. If abortion is illegal, every woman who gets pregnant - be it accidentally, through rape, or by design - has no choice but to bear the child - it’s called forced childbirth. If contraception is illegal, people who want to actually, you know, be mature and plan their childbearing are unable to do so. (FWIW, in their lives, 98% of American women will use contraception.)
Before both abortion and contraception were legal, people did their damnedest to get both. Making abortion illegal won’t make it go away - it will just make it more dnagerous. Making contraception illegal won’t make it go away - people will just come up with folk remedies and figure out ways (of varying and decreasing effectiveness) to prevent unwanted babies. The wingnut fantasy that people will stop having sex is nothing more than a dream. People won’t stop having sex - sex will just become significantly more risky (which sometimes seems to be the whole point). The conservative dream world of sex only between straight married people has never been real, it will never be real and there’s no reason to pretend otherwise. And all the treacly talk about “tiny babies” isn’t enough to cover up the real goal which is to control what people do in their bedrooms.
Glenden Brown




August 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Interestingly, while most Americans are somewhere in the middle on this, adherence to a strict pro-choice position has become a litmus test for many Democrats, and adherence to a strict pro-life position has become a litmus test for many Republicans.
There is, however, a group called Democrats for Life. Part of their platform is helping and supporting pregnant women.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
But Leo,
As a Constitutional Scholar, should it not be politically irrelevant what or how many Americans believe concerning some religious doctrine?
Certainly, you are not trying to argue that a majority either way, should subordinate the rights of living US citizens?
I can further assure you there are more abortion-hating pro-choice Christians than Democrats for Life.
What a wonderful world it would be if it were NOT a political litmus test for either party, but rather a universal social cause to reduce abortion. I think everyone coule get behind that.
Has anyone asked this question on a survey;
People like Okelberry are completely deaf on this issue. Anytime you attack them for voting based on this issue, they assume you disagree with their position on life.
One more time, its not about life, its about government vs choice.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Cliff,
I am sure that Democrats for Life represents a minority political opinion, but it is an opinion I am partial to and a position that has a certain resonance once it is articulated.
I really can’t get too worked up against most political opponents, left or right. I am not a good hater. Granted, some people are beyond the pale, but most aren’t.
Whether a religious doctrine is irrelevant or not depends on the doctrine and the context. For example, some people held that slavery is unacceptable on religious grounds, even to the point of practicing civil disobedience in the form of the Underground Railroad. That was a clearly articulated position by some churches prior to the Civil War, when the supreme law of the land favored the other side. Today we see those religionists who worked against slavery as having gotten the core issue right. Today someone might hold that their religion requires respect for the environment. Such beliefs may be widely held and not incompatible with the Constitution. The Constitution recognizes that some questions are political and to be decided by representative democracy. Ultimately, no law can be sustained that is not to some extent backed by a general consensus in society. It need not be a question of a simple majority, but as a practical matter, laws against murder, theft, etc. work because as a whole, society agrees these are unacceptable practices. Issues only reach the Supreme Court when the answers are not obvious and where rights collide. The Supreme Court has spoken on the issue of abortion, but the Court opinions continue to evolve. Whether Roe v. Wade will one day be overturned, I cannot predict. I would say the odds are against it in the foreseeable future. It also might be bad for the national political fortunes for the right wing if it was overturned, as it could force them to face a different set of legislative issues.
One could hold to a purely libertarian position. While I respect such a position, I am not persuaded that our Constitution requires pure libertarianism.
While I am in favor some basic rights all living persons (not just citizens), there remain the questions of when does life start and what happens when rights conflict, in the case the rights of the mother and the rights of the unborn. I am not prepared to say that society, i.e., the state, has no legitimate interest in protecting the unborn, particularly as the unborn near full term. Roe v. Wade recognized this.
What I hope is that society can discuss these issues in a civil manner and recognize the arguments on the other side may be sincerely and reasonably held. The fundamentalists who bother me the most are those who cannot understand how any reasonable person could possibly believe differently than they do. Such an attitude results in the demonizing of one’s opponents. There may be times, e.g. Germany in the thirties, when one side really is demonic. I don’t see this as such a case.