Does anyone else find it strange that Rachel Maddow went on and on talking about the lies told at the RNC, yet couldn’t take time to debunk a SINGLE ONE? It reminds me of the last donation request I got from David Plouffe where he said

“They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.”

Still there was no rebuttal to the LIES! It wasn’t that long ago where Plouffe made a video about the money raised by McCain stating that the Republicans were going to use it to tell lies. (future tense) Sounds like this tactic was part of their game plan whether or not McCain lied or not.

Maybe someone here can tell us which major reforms Obama initiated and authored in the Senate. For someone so bent on Change, he seemed to have plenty of time in the Senate to put at least a few changes down on paper in the form of legislation. Notice too that there has been no rebuttal to the Republican claims about Obama’s voting record in Illinois. How many times did he vote “present?”

Typical tactic, if you keep telling a lie over and over again, people will eventually believe, even if the lie is about lying.

RO:

Still waiting ….

Where was Sarah Palin today and why was she not on the talk-show circuit?

You can run, RO, but you cannot hide.

Gee Albert,

Do you really expect me to know what is going on inside the McCain campaign? I imagine they are doing what EVERY campaign tries to do, control the message. Maybe you should write them and find out for yourself… I truly am honored that you think that I am that connected thought.. Thank you… Maybe she is studying tapes of Obama on how to answer a question while not answering it.

Also Albert, please remember… I don’t hide… I use my full name when I post as I do when I’m on the air. You should give it a try, brother…

Richard W.

Is that it? Is that the list of “MAJOR” bills that Obama authored? Heck, the biggest of the list, the Ethics Reformed was only put into place after others made him the “point man.”

Where are his major accomplishments that would fix the economy, education, unemployment or Iraq? You know you really should have at least mentioned his failed attempt to de-fund the war. Such a great leader as Obama should have had no problem rallying his fellow Senators around that one.

So we are straight on this issue because I know we won’t agree but readers should be able to decide for themselves;

It is your belief that Sarah Palin out right LIED because she doesn’t recognize Obama’s Ethics Reform appointment and the Luger-Obama* initiative that only strengthened the Nunn-Lugar framework as “MAJOR” pieces of Legislation?

Are we square on this issue? Am I understanding you correctly?

(the Luger-Obama initiative: note his name is second, indicating his inferior role under Senate tradition.)

Okelberry,
What about Palin’s lie that she “told Congress ‘thanks, but no thanks’ to that bridge to nowhere”? How about McCain’s repeated lie that Palin sold the former governor’s plane on Ebay for a profit?

Okie’s a provocature. And he even has a radio show! Little Limbaugh. What a hoot. Get out there Okie and support your people. Try to stick it to the opposition some more. It’s a good role for you.

O. You are parsing ‘Major’ as was intended. One point to you.

Have you confirmed the kerning?

Perhaps it really is all about race. Better a cheerleader of any stripe than a person of some non-fleshtone pigmentation who might redirect some of the action away from the monied minority and toward the rest of the downtrodden citizenry.

You go guy, and take Sarah with you.

On a more personal note, has anyone ever come up to you out in the real world with a recognition of your voice from the radio? Did they call you Rush?

Being correct is even funner.

Isn’t it a known fact that Republicans generally win because they lie more and are better at it than anyone else.

They also tend to be crueler, which attracts the fundamentally religious, the racists and the homophobes.

There is no need for them to pander the corporation because they own most of them, however, they aim for those who would benefit the least in American, with their rhetoric, those who believe the most important things are having guns, traditional family values, (though it is proven the Red states have more divorces than Blue, and it is blindingly obvious that the Republican Party is packed with more felons, adulterers and pedophiles than the Democratic or any other political party for that matter), Patriotism,( though it is proven that the Republican Party has been the Party they denies Veterans proper benefits, by always voting against them, while also voting to not give them proper protective gear, which would have saved many lives and stopped many Troops from coming home with missing limbs and melted faces, and vote against Troops to have a better life, by giving them help to go to school once they finish their duty, even though this is one of the Military’s “selling points” to get young teenage children to join, in hopes for a better life in the future) and fundamental religious beliefs. By claiming that America is a Christian Nation and was based on Christianity, even though it is documented over and over by past presidents, congress, writers and church leaders, just to name a few.

Americans are hated now more than any other time in the history of our country.

This is mainly due to the Bush administration, by far, the most lethal group of people who have destroyed the safety of our Nation.

Thank you Republicans.

Btw, do you like your 8 hour work day or 40 hour work week?

How about the safety of you children’s toys, your cars, your food?

Those who create those changes and allowed for the overseeing of corporations were Liberals, NOT Republicans or Conservatives.

Those who want to remove the overseeing of our food and the safety of our children’s toys are Republicans and Conservatives.

The Founding Fathers were Liberals.

Corey Mondello
Boston, Massachusetts
http://www.CoreyMondello.com
9-8-08

Larry’s AP story.

Fact Checks – quick and painless

McCain: claims Obama passed a corporate welfare bill for oil companies
Fact Obama: “…Obama did vote for an effort to strip the legislation of the oil and gas industry tax breaks. When that failed, he voted for the overall measure…”

REALITY: Regardless of Obama’s intentions for the bill and that he “wanted” with the credits to oil companies removed, he was unwilling to stand behind that conviction and voted for the bill anyway. Too bad he did vote this way on “live birth” abortion bills.

McCain: “When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.”

The Facts: “Despite his goal of giving parents choice in the schools their children attend, he is not proposing a federal voucher program that would provide public money for private school tuition…”

REALITY: Will someone reread McCain’s statement and find the word Voucher in it?

McCain: “Again and again, I’ve worked with members of both parties to fix problems that need to be fixed. That’s how I will govern as president. I will reach out my hand to anyone to help me get this country moving again. I have that record and the scars to prove it. Senator Obama does not.”

Facts: It is certainly true that McCain, with two decades in the Senate, has worked in a bipartisan fashion on a number of issues. Legislation that bears his name often carries the name of a Democrat as well… … Unlike McCain, however, Obama did not put himself at odds with his own party leaders by working with Lugar.”

REALITY: I don’t even have to say anything about that one.

(The rest are not quotes attributed to others in the Republican Party. Not sure if you really want to open this discussion up to everything the Dems say, Larry, so I will speak only to the Bridge to nowhere item at the end.)

U.S. REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN: (Referring to vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin) “We met a woman who, with the bravery that only the mother of five can summon, said ‘thanks but no thanks’ to the good ole’ boy earmarks.”

THE FACTS: Palin has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. She did reject plans to build the notorious “Bridge to Nowhere” but only after Congress had cut off funding for it. The bridge was a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. Palin did leave in place a $27 million federally funded project to build the approach road to the bridge. Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, said Thursday that Palin first told Ketchikan officials during a campaign stop in 2006 that she supported it. When she became governor, and after the project became the subject of national ridicule, she pulled the state’s portion of funding.

REALITY: Apparently some people think that all Federal Funding Projects are Earmarks. Earmarks generally seen as abusive pieces of spending and are associated to Pork Barrel spending. They are attachments to otherwise popular bills and are used throughout every state to fund needed projects. The problem with criticizing Palin on this is that you have to look at each individual piece of federal spending then try and make a subjective argument why that one was wasteful or not needed. While it is true that you can use the term Earmark as a general definition of specific pieces of spending, over the years they have generally been wasteful spending measures. This is why most every senator in the country does not brag about the earmarks they have gained for their state, instead arguing that each is needed and useful.

Here is one definition of Earmarks”

A requirement that revenue be spent on a specific project or purpose, therefore intercepting the money before it is pooled with other revenue and appropriated as part of the General Fund. At the federal level, earmarking is often equated with pork spending. LINK

Again we run into subjective statements that in no way could be classified as a lie, at least in a court of law.

So you see.. Larry… You did not win… Nice second effort though…

You are such a total robot, Cliff, because you are always reactionary. Rather than bringing your own strategy to the table, liberals are always trying to adopt Republican strategies.

From Air America to the impeachment of Clinton, there is nothing new. Your experiences trying to challenge the Republicans have made you into a predictable group.

And yes, Cliff, I’m sure you will find that I have debunked each of the “lies” above without even breaking a sweat. (Please let me know if I missed one.) I only hope that Obama and Biden keep this course going into the debates… Dems fail so regularly to respect the Republicans as a crafty adversary. Hence the post here at OneUath calling Republicans idiots, “Doomed by the Bell Curve: Why Democrats Can’t Compete.” You think that you are so far above the Republicans intellectually that you fail to really get in the game. Do you think for even a second that the Republicans didn’t foresee that these issues would be raised by the Democrats? See… predictable… That is why we have a dead heat in the polls right now.

http://oneutah.org/2008/09/07/doomed-by-the-bell-curve-why-democrats-cant-compete/

As for your statement about jail time, must I remind you that the last Democrat Administration not only produced an Impeachment but the longest list of criminal prosecutions and evictions against former associates to the President in history? Again, Republican playbook…

Unlike you Cliff, people around here actually want to know my opinions. Therefore, it is difficult for me to keep up with every open ended question. The best framed questions usually get my attention first. Also, Top Posts too often draw me off on other subjects.

Now it’s your turn Cliff, why do you think it is that Obama isn’t playing up his anti-war policies as much any more? We barely heard a whisper about the war during the convention. Is he running away from those like you who supported him on that issue? I spoke with Jason Williams, who attended the convention and he said that there were many there angry that the Iraq War wasn’t a center piece. Do you feel the same way?

Cliff, please let me help you up… I am sorry if my ramblings have confused you so.

Tell me Cliff; are your arguments so weak that you have to keep bring religion into everything?

First answer Cliff… You apparently want my opinion… hence your questions above.

Let me start by giving my entire quote:

Do you know why Rachel Maddow will never be as big as Rush or Hannity? Because Conservatives talkers focus on what matters to most people. Money and Family… They want to keep their money and protect their family.

Did you find anywhere in that statement that I felt Republicans follow Christian Teachings? And I promise you Cliff, you certainly do not want to get into a Theological debate with me. There is a HUGE difference between studying and understanding. You can’t stand on your own two feet during a simple political debate hence the reason you have to regularly rely on name calling and unfounded personal attacks. How do you ever imagine you can tackle religion?

When I say that people respond to politicians and political opinionates that talk about protecting money and family, I do not do it from a religious standpoint. I do it from a point of TRUTH. Even Obama declares in almost every speech that he wants to help you keep more of your hard earned money. It is a universal theme that speaks loudly to people regardless of faith.

The irony is that while Obama has promised tax cuts to the lower 95% of wage earners, he then plans on taking the money back through Corporate taxes where the tax will just be built into the cost of every American made good and service. You see Corporations are just big groups of people. Corporations don’t pay taxes, people do. (man I need to put that quote in a political campaign) Ultimately this will make American goods even less competitive in the world markets, costing even more American jobs. Pretty crafty fellow… Say you are for tax cuts, while actually increasing the taxes the government takes in. Of course I will get into this later. Obama for tax cuts… What a hoot!

Let me ask you another question Cliff, since you are obviously in an answering mood. What percentage of your income goes to the government every year?

Cliff, still avoiding questions I see… Maybe you could work on the Obama campaign… Oh, I forgot… You are just a little too opinionated for the party right now…

Ok.. I’ll ask again… What percentage of your income goes to the government every year?

You, know Cliff… If you feel you aren’t paying enough you can always write a check to the government… It would be far better than forcing others on your behalf, don’t you think? In fact, I was planning on proposing a voluntary tax on state tax forms to help fund schools. If everyone really wants to pay more for schools they can simply vote with their pocketbook.

Here’s the address to the IRS if you are being truthful in your last statement. Please let everyone here know how much you contributed so we can all admire and thank you.

Department of the Treasury
Internal Revenue Service
Fresno, CA 93888-0102

Interesting thread. Painfully obvious that RO just doesn’t get it.

Okelberry,
Palin lied when she said “I told Congress ‘thanks, but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere.”

The earmark was already dead before she even started campaigning for governor. She had nothing at all to do with killing the earmark. She didn’t “tell Congress” anything. It’s nothing but a lie meant to bolster her exceedingly thin credentials. Source

McCain lied (twice!) when he said Palin sold the plane on Ebay and made a profit. The plane was sold through a broker and for a loss. Source

Are you really okay with this type of “embellishment” by our political candidates?

Now, about the rest of my unanswered questions . . . anything?

“As for the failure of AirAmerica and your thesis, how do you explain the most famous liberal political program called the Daily Show”?

It is on TV? On the Comedy Channel? Is that fair to state? It has no basis in serious discussions? Though while the commentary may be pertinent, it is entirely staged, and for ENTERTAINMENT value.

That’s it, that comment takes the cake, the best advocates for progressive values is a comedy show on a pay cable network. Makes one wonder about special interests and all.

Hey, if you lived in Alaska and you want to stay in office, you best be serving pork every chance you get. It is the determination up there if you are any good at g’ummint and worth keeping.

Bringing home the bacon, even if it isn’t yours, is very important in the Great White North.

Are you people really going to spend this entire campaign talking semantics? I’m talking campaign strategy and you guys are caught in the fine print. You are so concerned with trying to pick every little word apart that you miss the bigger picture.

I can see it now, when Palin starts the sit down interviews:

Interviewer: Some have pointed out that you didn’t really sell that plane on EBay but through a broker.

Palin: Hey, I sold the stupid plane. EBay was just a figure of speech! Are you thick?

The American People: Yeah… stupid interviewer… she sold the plane, that’s what matters… I’m voting for McCain and Palin… They’re for reducing the size of government…

Did anyone here notice that McCain just LEAPED past Obama in the polls. One Poll even has McCain at 54%. Oh… Yeah, I already pointed that out. Well, point made. Keep up the “lying” rhetoric; it seems to be working beautifully.

Did anyone see that CNN is now questioning whether Palin as a Pentecostal six years ago should be serving in the White House? Holy crap… You can’t buy coverage like this… Another week like this and you’ll be able to hear the slurping sounds as Obama starts spin in towards the drain.

By the way, how’s Obama been doing with that whole anti-war thing? Sounds like a turn coat to me? Can you really support a person who would downplay the single most important issue in this campaign to Democrats, Don? You know your vote doesn’t have to be wasted. You can still make history on the Republican ticket.

By the way who… Thanks for commenting on that lame Daily Show comment. You just save me some time.

“By the way who… Thanks for commenting on that lame Daily Show comment. You just save me some time”.

“I donate the balance of my time to the gentleman on the right”.

This is going to be very ENTERTAINING before it comes to conclusion.

Who:

You don’t get it, do you? RO was relishing McSame’s five point advantage yesterday, which vanished by today. Wonder what tomorrow will bring.

PS Are you working and paying taxes these days?

Pay up Albert, this poll shit doesn’t mean a thing. All psyop at this point.

Bottom line, Obama is beatable, and those that thought it all locked up, that don’t like him, have figured it out. Now who is Obama going to get that is undecidered to vote for him? He just lost the hockey mom vote I figure.

People pay taxes with every penny they spend, oh yeah, I’m paying taxes. You are surely not paying enough, we await Obamas’ term of committment for what will be your own individual bloodletting.

Hey, Olbermanns gone, they need someone to do his work.