Are You Ready… For Rachel Maddow?

Special to our right-wing friends: Turn on MSNBC at 7:00 pm MST tomorrow and tell us what you think.

Yup, it’s the debut of “The Rachel Maddow Show,” featuring Air America’s Rachel Maddow. You may have seen her guest-hosting “Countdown” or in her role as an MSNBC political commentator.

Here’s a sample, from last Friday, of Rachel’s unique voice as she comments on the Republican National Convention. “Let’s call lies, lies” Maddow says.

Also, don’t forget, Barack Obama is going to be on Keith Olbermann’s show Monday night.

UPDATE: In an act of supreme cowardice, MSNBC has caved in to right-wing demands that Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews not be allowed to continue anchoring their election coverage.

UPDATE: In her third night on the air, Rachel Maddow scored an exclusive on John McCain. Matt Yglesias:

[T]his is why Rachel Maddow matters. As of last week, had a liberal journalist like Ari Berman broken a news story like this it would have been published on The Nation, picked up in some blogs, and then it would have died. Now, it’s on television.

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51 Responses to “Are You Ready… For Rachel Maddow?”

  1. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Does anyone else find it strange that Rachel Maddow went on and on talking about the lies told at the RNC, yet couldn’t take time to debunk a SINGLE ONE? It reminds me of the last donation request I got from David Plouffe where he said

    “They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.”

    Still there was no rebuttal to the LIES! It wasn’t that long ago where Plouffe made a video about the money raised by McCain stating that the Republicans were going to use it to tell lies. (future tense) Sounds like this tactic was part of their game plan whether or not McCain lied or not.

    Maybe someone here can tell us which major reforms Obama initiated and authored in the Senate. For someone so bent on Change, he seemed to have plenty of time in the Senate to put at least a few changes down on paper in the form of legislation. Notice too that there has been no rebuttal to the Republican claims about Obama’s voting record in Illinois. How many times did he vote “present?”

    Typical tactic, if you keep telling a lie over and over again, people will eventually believe, even if the lie is about lying.

  2. Richard Warnick Says:

    Even a brief summary (from Andrew Sullivan) of Senator Obama’s legislative accomplishments would have to include:

    * Ethics Reform: Obama was the Senate’s point person on ethics reform, and sponsored or co-sponsored the bills that made up what the Washington Post called “the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet.” I’m also a fan of this bill, which I think of as the Journalists, Bloggers, and Citizens’ Muckraking Empowerment Act: it creates a searchable database of recipients of federal grants and contracts.

    * The Lugar-Obama initiative to strengthen the Nunn-Luger framework for securing loose nukes, and to extend it to securing and destroying stockpiles of conventional arms. (For instance, shoulder-fired missiles that could be used against passenger airlines, fired at our forces, or used to make any number of ongoing conflicts more deadly.)

    * Various bills concerning the response to Hurricane Katrina, including an amendment putting strict limits on the use of no-bid contracts after disasters, requiring planning for the evacuation of people with special needs and senior citizens, creating a National Emergency Family Locator System, etc.

    There are also a lot of good bills he worked on that did not make it, including the compromise immigration bill and a proposal to create an independent Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission, and some that are on the Senate calendar now, like a bill to criminalize various deceptive election tactics, like deceptive robocalls, providing misleading information about where to vote or what conditions you have to meet to be eligible to vote, etc.

    The Google is your friend.

  3. Albert O. Says:

    RO:

    Still waiting ….

    Where was Sarah Palin today and why was she not on the talk-show circuit?

    You can run, RO, but you cannot hide.

  4. Richard Warnick Says:

    Albert– I think Palin will be offered up for some Larry King-style interviews before too long, and she’ll sound good as long as she doesn’t have to depart from her script. But, can you imagine if Rachel Maddow got to ask the questions?

    From Josh Marshall:

    Sarah Palin could be the President of the United States in four and a half months. We tend to think of this as an abstraction; but it’s true. And yet today she’s so unprepared and knows so little about the challenges and tasks facing the country that she can’t even give a softball interview.

    That’s really all we need to know. Yes, she’s off being prepped at some undisclosed location. And I’ve little doubt that by the time her debate rolls around she’ll be sufficiently pumped full of slogans and bromides to make a show of it. But now, this moment, is the one that tells us all we need to know.

    Although utterly unqualified to serve in the nation’s second-highest office, Palin has already proven to be a formidable candidate. She has the “pit bull” stuff down cold, which is more than you can say for Senator Joe (McCain is one of my closest friends) Biden. This morning on “Meet the Press,” Biden told Tom Brokaw that he actually would have preferred the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to the Vice Presidency.

  5. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Gee Albert,

    Do you really expect me to know what is going on inside the McCain campaign? I imagine they are doing what EVERY campaign tries to do, control the message. Maybe you should write them and find out for yourself… I truly am honored that you think that I am that connected thought.. Thank you… Maybe she is studying tapes of Obama on how to answer a question while not answering it.

    Also Albert, please remember… I don’t hide… I use my full name when I post as I do when I’m on the air. You should give it a try, brother…

    Richard W.

    Is that it? Is that the list of “MAJOR” bills that Obama authored? Heck, the biggest of the list, the Ethics Reformed was only put into place after others made him the “point man.”

    Where are his major accomplishments that would fix the economy, education, unemployment or Iraq? You know you really should have at least mentioned his failed attempt to de-fund the war. Such a great leader as Obama should have had no problem rallying his fellow Senators around that one.

    So we are straight on this issue because I know we won’t agree but readers should be able to decide for themselves;

    It is your belief that Sarah Palin out right LIED because she doesn’t recognize Obama’s Ethics Reform appointment and the Luger-Obama* initiative that only strengthened the Nunn-Lugar framework as “MAJOR” pieces of Legislation?

    Are we square on this issue? Am I understanding you correctly?

    (the Luger-Obama initiative: note his name is second, indicating his inferior role under Senate tradition.)

  6. Don Says:

    Uh, Okelberry, McCain has been there for three decades. What exactly are his “major accomplishments”? What “MAJOR” bills has he authored?

    Or maybe a better question would be, what “major” bills did he “author” in his first three years in Congress?

    Or how about this? Since Obama has been in the Senate, which bills that McCain has “authored” or been a major sponsor of would he still vote for now?

  7. Richard Warnick Says:

    R.O.– That’s MAJOR legislation. But I think Obama correctly concluded that he could do more as President than as a member of the Senate. That’s why he’s running for President.

  8. Don Says:

    Hey, here’s a question for Okelberry. What kind of “MAJOR” foreign policy or executive experience does Palin bring to the Vice Presidency?

  9. Larry Bergan Says:

    I am a personal friend of John Mccain. He tells me I am every time we have an intimate chat in public, so I don’t think he’ll mind if I put words in his mouth:

    The American people love Rachel Maddow, my friends!

  10. Larry Bergan Says:

    Been a while since I heard the “L” word. It’s like something from the nineties, sort of like the “I” word.

    Richard O:

    Rachel is on the air for hours each day. I’m really, really sure she can explain the LIES in much more detail there. We liberals love to point them out, and do. There’s only one thing we love more then pointing out the LIES; The TRUTH.

  11. Don Says:

    Okelberry,
    What about Palin’s lie that she “told Congress ‘thanks, but no thanks’ to that bridge to nowhere”? How about McCain’s repeated lie that Palin sold the former governor’s plane on Ebay for a profit?

  12. Don Says:

    Does McCain understand his own speech? Start watching at about 1 minute 25 seconds and wait for the hilarity to commence.

    I tried to embed the video but it didn’t work. Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBoby-hv5I

  13. cav, morally disencompassed Says:

    Okie’s a provocature. And he even has a radio show! Little Limbaugh. What a hoot. Get out there Okie and support your people. Try to stick it to the opposition some more. It’s a good role for you.

  14. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Now Now… Fellas… Let’s not get ahead of ourselves… I know the second trick of liberals is to change the subject when you’re in the corner. Something Obama did with perfect flair when asked about his Community Agitating following Palin’s speech.

    Let’s remember Don, McCain did not accuse Obama of Lying about him passing “Major” legislation. So try to stay on subject please. This post is about one Rachel Maddow on MSNBC shouting LIES, LIES, LIES…

    I have just proven that Palin didn’t Lie about Obama’s legislation authoring because her statement was completely subjective. That’s why she used the term “Major.” While of course we know Richard thinks of Obama’s Senatorial accomplishments as being “Major,” many if not most would disagree.

    Therefore, I win the point and have illustrated that Rachel Maddow LIED. At best she could have said it was a subjective accounting of Obama’s career.

    Man I love being right… Next…

    This is great fun. I think Palin is the best thing to happen to OneUtah… She’s got everyone buzzing like a bunch of bees around here.

  15. cav, morally disencompassed Says:

    O. You are parsing ‘Major’ as was intended. One point to you.

    Have you confirmed the kerning?

    Perhaps it really is all about race. Better a cheerleader of any stripe than a person of some non-fleshtone pigmentation who might redirect some of the action away from the monied minority and toward the rest of the downtrodden citizenry.

    You go guy, and take Sarah with you.

    On a more personal note, has anyone ever come up to you out in the real world with a recognition of your voice from the radio? Did they call you Rush?

    Being correct is even funner.

  16. Don Says:

    And Okelberry comes through with the trite, predictable response. Why do you think I kept putting “major” in quotes? Duh. I don’t know why I expect something more from you Richard. You’ve become quite banal.

    Now, about the rest of the questions? Okelberry? Anything about the lies concerning the bridge to nowhere or the great “experience” of selling things on Ebay? Anything about McCain’s record? Anything about Palin’s foreign policy and executive experience? Can you say anything positive about your preferred candidates or are you going to keep playing the roll of “OneUtah troll”? Not that you don’t do it quite well; I just feel that maybe it’s time for you to move on to something a bit more fitting of a near genius.

  17. Cliff Lyon Says:

    Rachel Maddow Hammers Tucker Carlson into THE GROUND! I’d forgotten exactly HOW really huge an asshole Tucker Carlson was before he got squirted out the backside of the beast. Bill O’ and Hannity are next.

    Rachel’s star has risen BECAUSE she says “lying” when its lying.

    And she is smarter than all the current political commentators today….and WAY smarter than the conservative ones.

  18. Larry Bergan Says:

    Looks like the Associated Press, which usually “balances” stories in favor of the right like every other news organization felt a need to set the story straight on Palin. In other words, the AP thinks Palin tells LIES, Richard O!

    I WIN!!!

    USA, USA, USA, USA……

  19. Larry Bergan Says:

    Did Tucker get his show back? Can’t we get this guy off television?

  20. Cliff Lyon Says:

    I think Tucker likes getting thrashed by a lesbian.

  21. Corey Mondello Says:

    Isn’t it a known fact that Republicans generally win because they lie more and are better at it than anyone else.

    They also tend to be crueler, which attracts the fundamentally religious, the racists and the homophobes.

    There is no need for them to pander the corporation because they own most of them, however, they aim for those who would benefit the least in American, with their rhetoric, those who believe the most important things are having guns, traditional family values, (though it is proven the Red states have more divorces than Blue, and it is blindingly obvious that the Republican Party is packed with more felons, adulterers and pedophiles than the Democratic or any other political party for that matter), Patriotism,( though it is proven that the Republican Party has been the Party they denies Veterans proper benefits, by always voting against them, while also voting to not give them proper protective gear, which would have saved many lives and stopped many Troops from coming home with missing limbs and melted faces, and vote against Troops to have a better life, by giving them help to go to school once they finish their duty, even though this is one of the Military’s “selling points” to get young teenage children to join, in hopes for a better life in the future) and fundamental religious beliefs. By claiming that America is a Christian Nation and was based on Christianity, even though it is documented over and over by past presidents, congress, writers and church leaders, just to name a few.

    Americans are hated now more than any other time in the history of our country.

    This is mainly due to the Bush administration, by far, the most lethal group of people who have destroyed the safety of our Nation.

    Thank you Republicans.

    Btw, do you like your 8 hour work day or 40 hour work week?

    How about the safety of you children’s toys, your cars, your food?

    Those who create those changes and allowed for the overseeing of corporations were Liberals, NOT Republicans or Conservatives.

    Those who want to remove the overseeing of our food and the safety of our children’s toys are Republicans and Conservatives.

    The Founding Fathers were Liberals.

    Corey Mondello
    Boston, Massachusetts
    http://www.CoreyMondello.com
    9-8-08

  22. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Now Don, you need to quit sitting in the corner throwing out questions. If you want me to answer a specific accusation you need to be specific. Your throw out the bridge to nowhere thing and are not specific about what you are asking. If you are arguing that her statements about the bridge to nowhere are lies then present your evidence! If you are referring to her being for the bridge before she was against it, I agree… She was against it after she was for it… Does that make it a lie?

    Here is ultimately the point. All candidates embellish, including McCain and Obama. They all stretch the truth… And occasionally the misspeak and on even more rare occasions they change their minds. You liberals have been so trained by conservatives over the years that you are now like robots. Even Palin’s statement about the plane being sold on E-bay can be explained away as a metaphor for selling something. Why? Because E-bay has become a metaphor for selling stuff…

    Are you just itching for Biden to bring these things up in the debate, Don? Do you know how bad her responses to these silly “accusations” will make him look like a 3rd grader? I personally hope it happens.

    If a Candidate ever “flip flops,” on an issue you all freak out because the Republicans were able to defeat Kerry with that one. I just don’t know why he didn’t stand up and say, “I changed my mind.” But now when you think you see a flip flop you jump up and down like the Easter Bunny just pooped out a big fat egg for you.

    It always seems the Dems are playing catch up to the Republicans.

    Finally, to try and keep with this essay, do you know why Rachel Maddow will never be as big as Rush or Hannity? Because Conservatives talkers focus on what matters to most people. Money and Family… They want to keep their money and protect their family. Ask yourself if Maddow talks about either of those things at all, then listen to Rush and see how often they come up. In fact, if she has much of a career at all, it will be because she spends her time going after Rush and Hannity. Even then, the reason Rush and Hannity are so popular is because even liberals can’t help but listen to them. This Maddow isn’t making the same compelling arguments that Rush and Hannity make, she is just spewing hatred against conservatives… This is why Air America died. You can’t keep following in the footsteps of conservatives and expect to build a base around it.

  23. Cliff Lyon Says:

    Okelmary, First you call the kettle black,

    “Now Don, you need to quit sitting in the corner throwing out questions. If you want me to answer…”

    ( Your record on answering questions is in the realm of Alberto Gonzales.

    …Followed by equivocation,

    All candidates embellish, including McCain and Obama. They all stretch the truth…

    How convenient. How WRONG.

    As one of the minions of obedient ’soldiers’ (as in ‘Authoritarian Followers) hoping one day to suck on the teat of Republican patronage, you are probably unaware that this half of the country, no longer accept the once reasonable broad brush characterizations about ‘all politicinas.’

    No sir. I believe Rachel made that very point in the top-posted video. For your convenience and mine, she identified several specific lies told during the Republican Convention.

    I don’t imagine you will be holding up examples of such lying at the Democratic convention. …Because you can’t.

    I believe it was Karl (spelt like Marx) Rove who said, if you say a lie over and over, eventually people come to believe it.

    What with all the Republicans in jail or close these days, current and former Bush administration officials refusing subpoenas, 35 articles of impeachment against Bush and Cheney for lying to the American people, and multitudes of media/political watch-dog websites documenting Republican lies….we are long past the day when the not so subtle distinction between the Democrats and the LIARS is lost on anyone but the deaf, dumb and blind.

    So I stopped reading at the first lie in you long comment. I will go now and read the rest of your ‘apologetic’ BS.

  24. Cliff Lyon Says:

    RO, what the hell does this mean, “You liberals have been so trained by conservatives over the years that you are now like robots.?”

  25. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Larry’s AP story.

    Fact Checks – quick and painless

    McCain: claims Obama passed a corporate welfare bill for oil companies
    Fact Obama: “…Obama did vote for an effort to strip the legislation of the oil and gas industry tax breaks. When that failed, he voted for the overall measure…”

    REALITY: Regardless of Obama’s intentions for the bill and that he “wanted” with the credits to oil companies removed, he was unwilling to stand behind that conviction and voted for the bill anyway. Too bad he did vote this way on “live birth” abortion bills.

    McCain: “When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.”

    The Facts: “Despite his goal of giving parents choice in the schools their children attend, he is not proposing a federal voucher program that would provide public money for private school tuition…”

    REALITY: Will someone reread McCain’s statement and find the word Voucher in it?

    McCain: “Again and again, I’ve worked with members of both parties to fix problems that need to be fixed. That’s how I will govern as president. I will reach out my hand to anyone to help me get this country moving again. I have that record and the scars to prove it. Senator Obama does not.”

    Facts: It is certainly true that McCain, with two decades in the Senate, has worked in a bipartisan fashion on a number of issues. Legislation that bears his name often carries the name of a Democrat as well… … Unlike McCain, however, Obama did not put himself at odds with his own party leaders by working with Lugar.”

    REALITY: I don’t even have to say anything about that one.

    (The rest are not quotes attributed to others in the Republican Party. Not sure if you really want to open this discussion up to everything the Dems say, Larry, so I will speak only to the Bridge to nowhere item at the end.)

    U.S. REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN: (Referring to vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin) “We met a woman who, with the bravery that only the mother of five can summon, said ‘thanks but no thanks’ to the good ole’ boy earmarks.”

    THE FACTS: Palin has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. She did reject plans to build the notorious “Bridge to Nowhere” but only after Congress had cut off funding for it. The bridge was a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. Palin did leave in place a $27 million federally funded project to build the approach road to the bridge. Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, said Thursday that Palin first told Ketchikan officials during a campaign stop in 2006 that she supported it. When she became governor, and after the project became the subject of national ridicule, she pulled the state’s portion of funding.

    REALITY: Apparently some people think that all Federal Funding Projects are Earmarks. Earmarks generally seen as abusive pieces of spending and are associated to Pork Barrel spending. They are attachments to otherwise popular bills and are used throughout every state to fund needed projects. The problem with criticizing Palin on this is that you have to look at each individual piece of federal spending then try and make a subjective argument why that one was wasteful or not needed. While it is true that you can use the term Earmark as a general definition of specific pieces of spending, over the years they have generally been wasteful spending measures. This is why most every senator in the country does not brag about the earmarks they have gained for their state, instead arguing that each is needed and useful.

    Here is one definition of Earmarks”

    A requirement that revenue be spent on a specific project or purpose, therefore intercepting the money before it is pooled with other revenue and appropriated as part of the General Fund. At the federal level, earmarking is often equated with pork spending. LINK

    Again we run into subjective statements that in no way could be classified as a lie, at least in a court of law.

    So you see.. Larry… You did not win… Nice second effort though…

  26. Cliff Lyon Says:

    do you know why Rachel Maddow will never be as big as Rush or Hannity? Because Conservatives talkers focus on what matters to most people. Money and Family…- Richard Okleberries

    Hmm. Family and money. Two things Jesus never spoke of in fond terms. Two things Jesus put at the bottom of the priority list. Prove me wrong CHURCH BOY (be very astute here, as I and others on this blog have spent more time studying your Bible than thumping it.

    Lastly, since you brought up the Republican canard about keeping one’s money, care to address the corporate welfare for Bear Sterns, Freddy and Fannie Mae?

    Don’t you see how badly the Republicans have abused you? While you continue to parrot their canards, they continue to throw government money at the rich via tax cuts and corporate welfare.

    I hate to say it, but YOU suffer the same malignancy as those who vote against their best interest. You SIR, are a tribalist, and by association, part of the biggest lie of the 21st century.

  27. Richard Okelberry Says:

    You are such a total robot, Cliff, because you are always reactionary. Rather than bringing your own strategy to the table, liberals are always trying to adopt Republican strategies.

    From Air America to the impeachment of Clinton, there is nothing new. Your experiences trying to challenge the Republicans have made you into a predictable group.

    And yes, Cliff, I’m sure you will find that I have debunked each of the “lies” above without even breaking a sweat. (Please let me know if I missed one.) I only hope that Obama and Biden keep this course going into the debates… Dems fail so regularly to respect the Republicans as a crafty adversary. Hence the post here at OneUath calling Republicans idiots, “Doomed by the Bell Curve: Why Democrats Can’t Compete.” You think that you are so far above the Republicans intellectually that you fail to really get in the game. Do you think for even a second that the Republicans didn’t foresee that these issues would be raised by the Democrats? See… predictable… That is why we have a dead heat in the polls right now.

    http://oneutah.org/2008/09/07/doomed-by-the-bell-curve-why-democrats-cant-compete/

    As for your statement about jail time, must I remind you that the last Democrat Administration not only produced an Impeachment but the longest list of criminal prosecutions and evictions against former associates to the President in history? Again, Republican playbook…

    Unlike you Cliff, people around here actually want to know my opinions. Therefore, it is difficult for me to keep up with every open ended question. The best framed questions usually get my attention first. Also, Top Posts too often draw me off on other subjects.

    Now it’s your turn Cliff, why do you think it is that Obama isn’t playing up his anti-war policies as much any more? We barely heard a whisper about the war during the convention. Is he running away from those like you who supported him on that issue? I spoke with Jason Williams, who attended the convention and he said that there were many there angry that the Iraq War wasn’t a center piece. Do you feel the same way?

  28. Cliff Lyon Says:

    Okelmary,

    You are correct, I am no longer interested in your opinion. You still never answered my main question from the abortion debate.

    The only opinions you offer are the unsolicited ones. Anyone can infer the opinion of a right-wing Authoritarian Republican Bible-Thumper, just by watching Faux News.

    So which people around here want your unsolicited opinions?

  29. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Cliff, please let me help you up… I am sorry if my ramblings have confused you so.

    Tell me Cliff; are your arguments so weak that you have to keep bring religion into everything?

    First answer Cliff… You apparently want my opinion… hence your questions above.

    Let me start by giving my entire quote:

    Do you know why Rachel Maddow will never be as big as Rush or Hannity? Because Conservatives talkers focus on what matters to most people. Money and Family… They want to keep their money and protect their family.

    Did you find anywhere in that statement that I felt Republicans follow Christian Teachings? And I promise you Cliff, you certainly do not want to get into a Theological debate with me. There is a HUGE difference between studying and understanding. You can’t stand on your own two feet during a simple political debate hence the reason you have to regularly rely on name calling and unfounded personal attacks. How do you ever imagine you can tackle religion?

    When I say that people respond to politicians and political opinionates that talk about protecting money and family, I do not do it from a religious standpoint. I do it from a point of TRUTH. Even Obama declares in almost every speech that he wants to help you keep more of your hard earned money. It is a universal theme that speaks loudly to people regardless of faith.

    The irony is that while Obama has promised tax cuts to the lower 95% of wage earners, he then plans on taking the money back through Corporate taxes where the tax will just be built into the cost of every American made good and service. You see Corporations are just big groups of people. Corporations don’t pay taxes, people do. (man I need to put that quote in a political campaign) Ultimately this will make American goods even less competitive in the world markets, costing even more American jobs. Pretty crafty fellow… Say you are for tax cuts, while actually increasing the taxes the government takes in. Of course I will get into this later. Obama for tax cuts… What a hoot!

    Let me ask you another question Cliff, since you are obviously in an answering mood. What percentage of your income goes to the government every year?

  30. Cliff Lyon Says:

    Richard,

    You must be kidding. The percentage of my income that goes to taxes is not high enough for my income bracket. I think lots of wealthy Americans feel the same.

    As for the failure of AirAmerica and your thesis, how do you explain the most famous liberal political program called the Daily Show?

    Finally, on the question of Democrats not being able to compete with smart Republicans…I think you are missing the point. Republicans are corrupt liars.

    How should dems compete with this?

  31. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Cliff, still avoiding questions I see… Maybe you could work on the Obama campaign… Oh, I forgot… You are just a little too opinionated for the party right now…

    Ok.. I’ll ask again… What percentage of your income goes to the government every year?

    You, know Cliff… If you feel you aren’t paying enough you can always write a check to the government… It would be far better than forcing others on your behalf, don’t you think? In fact, I was planning on proposing a voluntary tax on state tax forms to help fund schools. If everyone really wants to pay more for schools they can simply vote with their pocketbook.

    Here’s the address to the IRS if you are being truthful in your last statement. Please let everyone here know how much you contributed so we can all admire and thank you.

    Department of the Treasury
    Internal Revenue Service
    Fresno, CA 93888-0102

  32. Albert O. Says:

    RO:

    And just why was it, again, Richard, that you felt compelled to convince us that you are not a right-winger? Money and family? If it were only that simple.

  33. Steve S. Says:

    Interesting thread. Painfully obvious that RO just doesn’t get it.

  34. Richard Okelberry Says:

    CLIFF!!! Where’d ya go my wealthy little warrior! Have you written that check to the IRS yet? America is waiting to get paid!

  35. Don Says:

    Okelberry,
    Palin lied when she said “I told Congress ‘thanks, but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere.”

    The earmark was already dead before she even started campaigning for governor. She had nothing at all to do with killing the earmark. She didn’t “tell Congress” anything. It’s nothing but a lie meant to bolster her exceedingly thin credentials. Source

    McCain lied (twice!) when he said Palin sold the plane on Ebay and made a profit. The plane was sold through a broker and for a loss. Source

    Are you really okay with this type of “embellishment” by our political candidates?

    Now, about the rest of my unanswered questions . . . anything?

  36. Richard Warnick Says:

    When Palin was running for governor, she continued to support the $24 million Road to Nowhere. One of her opponents countered, “this isn’t progress. This is a road to a bridge that will never be built.”

  37. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    “As for the failure of AirAmerica and your thesis, how do you explain the most famous liberal political program called the Daily Show”?

    It is on TV? On the Comedy Channel? Is that fair to state? It has no basis in serious discussions? Though while the commentary may be pertinent, it is entirely staged, and for ENTERTAINMENT value.

    That’s it, that comment takes the cake, the best advocates for progressive values is a comedy show on a pay cable network. Makes one wonder about special interests and all.

    Hey, if you lived in Alaska and you want to stay in office, you best be serving pork every chance you get. It is the determination up there if you are any good at g’ummint and worth keeping.

    Bringing home the bacon, even if it isn’t yours, is very important in the Great White North.

  38. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    What’s to get? This entire political affair is about power and who is going to wield it. Winners vs Losers.

    Take a number.

    Richard; so you are the only regular watcher of Larry King? As far as exposure is concerned, Larry is the crapper…

    American democracy reminds me of buying bagels in a New York deli. You don’t always get what you want, or what you paid for.

    Rachel may be painted with the “shrill” brush before long if she isn’t careful.

  39. Richard Okelberry Says:

    Are you people really going to spend this entire campaign talking semantics? I’m talking campaign strategy and you guys are caught in the fine print. You are so concerned with trying to pick every little word apart that you miss the bigger picture.

    I can see it now, when Palin starts the sit down interviews:

    Interviewer: Some have pointed out that you didn’t really sell that plane on EBay but through a broker.

    Palin: Hey, I sold the stupid plane. EBay was just a figure of speech! Are you thick?

    The American People: Yeah… stupid interviewer… she sold the plane, that’s what matters… I’m voting for McCain and Palin… They’re for reducing the size of government…

    Did anyone here notice that McCain just LEAPED past Obama in the polls. One Poll even has McCain at 54%. Oh… Yeah, I already pointed that out. Well, point made. Keep up the “lying” rhetoric; it seems to be working beautifully.

    Did anyone see that CNN is now questioning whether Palin as a Pentecostal six years ago should be serving in the White House? Holy crap… You can’t buy coverage like this… Another week like this and you’ll be able to hear the slurping sounds as Obama starts spin in towards the drain.

    By the way, how’s Obama been doing with that whole anti-war thing? Sounds like a turn coat to me? Can you really support a person who would downplay the single most important issue in this campaign to Democrats, Don? You know your vote doesn’t have to be wasted. You can still make history on the Republican ticket.

    By the way who… Thanks for commenting on that lame Daily Show comment. You just save me some time.

  40. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    “You must be kidding. The percentage of my income that goes to taxes is not high enough for my income bracket. I think lots of wealthy Americans feel the same”.

    Cliff, be sure to send any extra money you can part with to INS, and ICE, they are cash strapped, and in need of revenue to stop native employers from chattel slaving poor Latinos in their efforts and long held desires to get rich by suppressing labor.

    Send your dollars to “Stop the Slavery”, anytime you like.

  41. Richard Warnick Says:

    R.O. says: “Are you people really going to spend this entire campaign talking semantics?”

    This from the man who argued that the truthfulness of Sarah Palin’s charge that Barack Obama “has authored… not a single major law” depends on some private definition of the word “major.”

  42. Albert O. Says:

    RO:

    Well, here is the result of an even more recent poll.

    So much for your poll (and your candidate), as this poll shows Obama coming back with even fiercer momentum.

  43. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    “By the way who… Thanks for commenting on that lame Daily Show comment. You just save me some time”.

    “I donate the balance of my time to the gentleman on the right”.

    This is going to be very ENTERTAINING before it comes to conclusion.

  44. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    Albert, poor, poor, dear Albert.

    At this stage of the game, dead even is dead in the water.

    Review your Kerry, Al stats at this stage of the game. Being even, even with the elite media behind you, is very bad news.

    FIRE HOWARD DEAN!! Fuckin’ moron.

  45. Albert O. Says:

    Who:

    You don’t get it, do you? RO was relishing McSame’s five point advantage yesterday, which vanished by today. Wonder what tomorrow will bring.

    PS Are you working and paying taxes these days?

  46. Don Says:

    So, Okelberry, nothing at all to say about the important questions concerning McCain’s record and Palin’s foreign policy “experience” or true record as a “reformer”. Figures . . . trolling seems inherent to your “near genius” nature.

  47. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    Pay up Albert, this poll shit doesn’t mean a thing. All psyop at this point.

    Bottom line, Obama is beatable, and those that thought it all locked up, that don’t like him, have figured it out. Now who is Obama going to get that is undecidered to vote for him? He just lost the hockey mom vote I figure.

    People pay taxes with every penny they spend, oh yeah, I’m paying taxes. You are surely not paying enough, we await Obamas’ term of committment for what will be your own individual bloodletting.

  48. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    Lesbian Jew goddess of my dreams Rachel Maddow. Yet people think that somehow there will be some kind of end to the war in the ME with O’bomber.

    Yes, the convulsive support is coursing through you now for Rachel Maddox, ur sumthin’ like that.

    Wondering how the unelected Liberal Jew Goddess will stand up to elected deluded conservative white trash? With a hockey stick? I’m sure you will find out.

  49. Larry Bergan Says:

    Don’t feed the trolls!!

    I WIN! I WIN!

    USA! USA! USA…!!!

    Cliff:

    Mero and Okelberry aren’t allowed to discuss election fraud. Republicans are a very controlled group.

  50. Richard Warnick Says:

    Rachel’s new show got off to a slow start, mostly devoted to a re-hash of Olbermann’s Obama interview. But she went head to head with MSNBC resident winger Pat Buchanan, that was fun.

  51. Who is watching the watchers Says:

    Hey, Olbermanns gone, they need someone to do his work.

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