PaaR-TaY Time With the Young (College) Republicans - Free Beer!
H/t Bob S. for the reminder. THIS is the future of the republican party?
Ouch!
September 10th, 2008 by Cliff Lyon 
Cliff Lyon
September 10th, 2008 by Cliff Lyon Cliff Lyon
H/t Bob S. for the reminder. THIS is the future of the republican party?
Ouch!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Sooo…you can’t support a war or make military decisions unless you enlist in the military. Is that it, Cliff?
From this, I’m assuming that you didn’t support American efforts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, France, Korea, Japan, etc.
Is this correct, Cliff? You’re a true pacifist (with the noteable exception of threatening to shoot some folks)?
Not only is the whole “chickenhawk” canard logically empty, but taken to it’s logical conclusion it takes military decisions out of the hands of anyone who has not served. This is exactly the opposite of our system: The military answers to civil authorities regardless of whether or not they’ve worn the uniform.
You heard it here first folks, only people who volunteer to serve in the military can make decisions to go to war and support that war. Our honored tradition of civilian leadership has just been trashed be the great honorable Cliff Lyon.
Of course, by your standards, Cliffy - I assume that you’ll be voting for McCain since Obama has never served….
….right?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
JD,
I don’t think that was Blumenthals thesis.
I think the thesis is; war-mongering College Republicans are chicken hawks.
But that was just the thesis. The real message of the video is College republicans are some of the dumbest people if seen…I mean as a group.
Really uninformed, status-driven, wanna-be’s. Trailer trash really.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Chickenhawks are making national security decisions right now, in the Bush administration. That’s why our strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan is such an epic fail.
The so-called “surge” in Iraq was a political stunt thought up by chickenhawks like Fred Kagan and rejected by the Iraq commander General Casey, the CENTCOM commander General Abizaid, and the Pentagon brass.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Yep. its like the more killing experience you have, the more likely you are to be canned for offering you advice.
Christ. The only battle Patreaus ever saw was a bout of diarrhea in a lousy hotel.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Randi Rhodes makes chickenhawk stew out of Ben Ferguson
September 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Especially for JD & Bob s.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Cliff– General Petraeus did experience combat, however his first experience was as a division commander in the 2003 invasion of Iraq. He was awarded a Bronze Star for Valor, no one seems to know what for (it ought to have been a Bronze Star for Service).
September 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Sid the head bartender at the “Last Chance” in B town was president of the young republicans while I was there. He lived on my floor.
He used to sleep 17 hours a day, listened to the Police all waking day, and sprack heavy.
He was a true leader. Led the trashing of the floor lounge, makes Iraq look like a Sunday outing.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Cliff, by your own standards, you aren’t allowed to comment on the war (unless you have some heretofore undiscovered military experience).
Gosh - somehow I’m guessing that you thought only the little people enlisted.
Am I right?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Where do you come from that you get to decide everyone else’s standards?
Try this one JD.
JD - “So Cliff, by your standards people who go to meetings to help promote the war, should at least take a few years off to serve, otherwise they are chicken hawks”
That is the only standard I am setting JD … if you could even call it that.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Regarding the former governor of MN (can you post to all of your praise of him while he was governor, Cliff?) -
Uh…Jesse?
We have a volunteer military. Parents don’t “send” their children to war.
I realize that this concept is difficult for some who think that it’s their birthright to control the lives of others - but it’s the society we live in.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Richard,
Does a division commander generally see combat?
Anyway, the just did a round robin in the Gulf War to get as many officers as they could be activated in a war zone.
It was so long since VN, I guess there was a generation of officers who were never gonna see battle unless they went to the Gulf one.
But I heard Petreaus got sick and hung back in a rat hole shitting his pants. Hey. I would be too, and I’d goddamn well want a fuckin medal for it too!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Ah Christopher ‘the Whore’ Hitchens.
Boy he sure is singing a different tune these days.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Cliff, you can’t comment on the current war. Sorry. You didn’t serve.
You’ll have to run all your comments through Bob or Richard.
…
Now that is settled, did you support Clinton’s military campaign in Serbia/Kosovo?
September 11th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Just for the record, I think General Petraeus has got what it takes to be a good commander, but he has a fatal flaw– lack of integrity. Admiral Fallon accurately characterized Petraeus as an “an ass-kissing little chickenshit” because he sold his soul to Bush. Chickenshit is not as bad as chickenhawk, though.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:34 am
But Richard, isn’t integrity a basic requirement for leadership?
Petraeus’ ass-kissing in practice means sending more 3rd and 4th to die, or go home without limbs.
By taking the job, he kicks sand in the face of more great generals (and an Admiral or two) than we can name in this little space.
I hope they drum him right out of the military when Obama is elected.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Cliffy - can the comments, chickenhawk.
Your rules. You didn’t serve. You can’t comment.
Hush now.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
doesn’t this web site has other languages support??