Start it, then hit pause, walk away and let is load.
It is a compilation of many live news reports from that morning reporting strange explosions and characterizing the implosion.
It leaves you with certainty on one thing. There were many strange and unaccounted for explosions between the time the planes hit and the towers went down.
I LOVE IT! It is soooo awesome when you post stuff like this Cliff. Tell us again… what’s your theory? Was it Bush or Cheney that built and planted the bombs? Or do you believe it was the Jews? Please tell and help grow your credibility here at OneUtah. You should see the faces of people when I tell them the guy who runs this site, believes that Bush was responsible for 9/11.
Ok now for a serious question. I don’t ask this to mock you but because I have had several close friends and an uncle who all have severe Schizophrenia? Are you Schizophrenic or have you ever been diagnosed or medicated for any other Psychosis?
Cliff, it’s an axiom of journalism that first reports are usually wrong. There is no way you’re going to convince anyone of your theory by relying on confused initial reactions by people who didn’t know what was happening. I remember on CNN they said a helicopter had crashed at the Pentagon– totally wrong, but it was reported as a fact on September 11, 2001.
Until there is a legitimate 911 study done by a non-partisan panel with no conflicts of interest involved, anybody can believe anything they want.
I would bet anything that not even one of the newscasters, or people in this video, or anybody who said they heard explosions inside the buildings, were ever brought before the commission. The commission just decided what results they wanted and looked only there for answers; just like the studies done for the war in Iraq.
On what planet does this non-partisan panel with no conflicts live? The reality is this; we have overwhelming evidence that these planes were hijacked. Investigators followed by the media have traced these Hijackers back to the schools where they learned to fly and then back to their home countries. We also had people on one of the flights calling their families giving an eye witness account of what was happening. For the U.S. involvement theory to work, you have to believe the U.S. intelligence services had convinced a rather large group of radical Muslims to hijack planes. Then they would have had to plant bombs in the buildings and prepare to blow it up at the same time as the impacts to make it look like al Qaeda, who conveniently took responsibility for it, did it.
Let’s be clear… If Obama or Clinton had been president during these attacks, not a single conspiracy theory about this would have ever made it on this site. Do you think it is a coincidence that people who deny the Holocaust are also conveniently the same people who express hatred for the Jews? Look deep in your heart and see how your hatred for a man named Bush has twisted your minds and made you no better than these hate mongers.
Here is one of the best essays I’ve read about the cause of “Bush Hatred Syndrome.”
“…The ascendancy of President Bush and his popularity with the American people threaten to put the final nail in the coffin of liberalism. Millions of people whose self-images have been shaped by their conviction that they are better, more moral, and above all smarter than their fellow Americans are faced with the prospect that they have been, after all, on history’s losing side. And that thought is, for many of them, too much to bear. Hence, I think, the hate. Bush is a criminal, a fraud and a liar. He has to be.” Why Do they Hate Him?
It is ironic that the reason Pres. Bush’s popularity is so low has less to do with the War in Iraq and more to do with the fact the Bush has been seen by conservatives as too willing to work with Democrats on several issues.
R.O. — It may be that you are not completely familiar with the intricacies of these highly imaginative 9/11 conspiracy theories. The “no-planers” say that the video of the planes hitting the Twin Towers was faked, or that the 767s were holographic projections. Others believe that the planes were empty, flown by remote control.
I’m sorry, but the 911 report is just not on my reading list. I was just saying I’ll bet they didn’t ask any questions about the alleged demolition explosions. You have read the report. Were there any questions asked about that. I have repeatedly said that I saw Lee Hamilton asked on C-Span if he had bothered to read David Ray Griffin’s books about the attacks and he said he hadn’t. Don’t you think he should have read Griffin’s book?
You are the most careful reporter on this blog and usually get things dead on. It’s amazing to watch you in action, but on this one issue, you seem to be in denial that the administration wanted this attack. It has been their answer to everything in bringing Cheney’s plan to bring unlimited power to the executive branch.
I don’t follow the issue of the 911 conspiracies much because it would be better to regain what is left of our democracy or republic or whatever it has become by voting the thugs you protect out of office. We will see what happens on that front very shortly.
I guess the “conventional wisdom” about the thoughts of the American people that day was that they were united with the rest of the world against anybody who would do such a thing. My first thought that morning was:
OH, NO! The Bush administration is going to take all of our freedoms away. I was exactly right! That’s why I hate them. That’s why you should hate them rather then making excuses for them and what they’ve done to the military, the economy, the arts, the sciences, and yes, the family.
Larry– The Bush administration is characterized at all levels by incompetence. Bush fires competent, expert professionals and replaces them with unqualified hacks. Yet you seem to think the Bushies pulled off what would have to be the most complex conspiracy in world history, in total secrecy that continues to this day without a single leak.
Thanks for your honesty. You really should read the 9/11 Commission’s report, it’s well worth the time. It’s the first draft of history. It does not cover every detail, more facts have indeed emerged since it was written, but I really doubt that the overall story will turn out to be much different.
Don’t you wish we could have similar commissions to investigate what went wrong with the invasion and occupation of Iraq, Hurricane Katrina, and the mortgage meltdown?
David Ray Griffin is a retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology. He has discovered that there is more of a market for books purveying fanciful 9/11 conspiracy theories than there is for dense philosophical tomes. Conspiracy is a cottage industry for him.
We may disagree on many issues, but on this one I agree with you completely.
Tell them like it really is.
Maybe the same people who pulled off the 9/11 conspiracy pulled off the murder of 5,000 people during/after Katrina.
The former Democratic congresswoman from Georgia who now is the Green Party’s candidate for president has claimed the government killed 5,000 prison inmates during Hurricane Katrina, dumping their bodies in a Louisiana swamp, according to a Fox News report.
Cynthia McKinney told a news conference in Oakland., Calif., Sunday she heard the story from the mother of a National Guard soldier, and she checked it with “insiders” who want to remain anonymous.
Larry– The 9/11 commission report does not list every question that was asked during the course of the investigation. I don’t know if that’s a good enough answer. In an appendix, the report gives the names of all the people who were interviewed.
If you ever have time to read the report, I think you’ll be convinced they did a very good job with extremely little help from the Bush administration. This was not an “official report” as some have claimed. President Bush even fought the creation of the commission.
It’s hard to imagine the chaos. The towers were making loud noises that led some to conclude collapse was inevitable as early as 9:30 that morning, when FDNY Assistant Chief Joseph Callan decided to evacuate the north tower because “there was obvious movement of the building.”
No doubt actual explosions went off, and a lot of noises came from debris and bodies raining down on the pavement. Certainly the impacts must have sounded like explosions. One eyewitness said a falling body on the World Trade Center plaza made a loud bang as if it were a sack of cement.
You just gave me a great idea. I was planning on producing a series of pro-Obama ads this week. I think now that I will include some of your convincing arguments into one of the ads. Why don’t you and Cliff give me a short list of facts that show how Bush was responsible for 9/11 and I’ll put them in one of the ads for you? If you can tie anything from 9/11 to McCain or Palin that would be great. I am dead serious about this, so be sure to take advantage of this opportunity. Heck, have Cliff send me a single $1 and I’ll even put “PAID BY: OneUtah.org on the bottom. Think of how that will drive readers to this site.
RO, we have repeatedly argued that just as there are qualities of lies (lies of omission, commission), so too are there qualities of responsibility. As the cic, given the fiery hair that was all around, bushes, retreat to the fuzzy catapillar, was somehow a quality of responsibility.
Boom. He did it by NOT DOING what he was hired to do. But, of course, he was not alone in his culpability, and no matter how much he thrashes and wrecks all the other realms over which he has startlingly great impact, nothing will change that.
hurrumph...
October 5th, 2008 at 9:18 am
I’m not going to watch a ten-minute YouTube video on a dial-up connection. What is the “proof”?
October 5th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Richard,
Start it, then hit pause, walk away and let is load.
It is a compilation of many live news reports from that morning reporting strange explosions and characterizing the implosion.
It leaves you with certainty on one thing. There were many strange and unaccounted for explosions between the time the planes hit and the towers went down.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:11 am
All of our heads, for example!
October 5th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Cliff!!!
I LOVE IT! It is soooo awesome when you post stuff like this Cliff. Tell us again… what’s your theory? Was it Bush or Cheney that built and planted the bombs? Or do you believe it was the Jews? Please tell and help grow your credibility here at OneUtah. You should see the faces of people when I tell them the guy who runs this site, believes that Bush was responsible for 9/11.
Ok now for a serious question. I don’t ask this to mock you but because I have had several close friends and an uncle who all have severe Schizophrenia? Are you Schizophrenic or have you ever been diagnosed or medicated for any other Psychosis?
October 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Cliff, it’s an axiom of journalism that first reports are usually wrong. There is no way you’re going to convince anyone of your theory by relying on confused initial reactions by people who didn’t know what was happening. I remember on CNN they said a helicopter had crashed at the Pentagon– totally wrong, but it was reported as a fact on September 11, 2001.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Until there is a legitimate 911 study done by a non-partisan panel with no conflicts of interest involved, anybody can believe anything they want.
I would bet anything that not even one of the newscasters, or people in this video, or anybody who said they heard explosions inside the buildings, were ever brought before the commission. The commission just decided what results they wanted and looked only there for answers; just like the studies done for the war in Iraq.
October 6th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Larry, I hope you have read the 9/11 commission report before knocking their conclusions.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Larry,
On what planet does this non-partisan panel with no conflicts live? The reality is this; we have overwhelming evidence that these planes were hijacked. Investigators followed by the media have traced these Hijackers back to the schools where they learned to fly and then back to their home countries. We also had people on one of the flights calling their families giving an eye witness account of what was happening. For the U.S. involvement theory to work, you have to believe the U.S. intelligence services had convinced a rather large group of radical Muslims to hijack planes. Then they would have had to plant bombs in the buildings and prepare to blow it up at the same time as the impacts to make it look like al Qaeda, who conveniently took responsibility for it, did it.
Let’s be clear… If Obama or Clinton had been president during these attacks, not a single conspiracy theory about this would have ever made it on this site. Do you think it is a coincidence that people who deny the Holocaust are also conveniently the same people who express hatred for the Jews? Look deep in your heart and see how your hatred for a man named Bush has twisted your minds and made you no better than these hate mongers.
Here is one of the best essays I’ve read about the cause of “Bush Hatred Syndrome.”
It is ironic that the reason Pres. Bush’s popularity is so low has less to do with the War in Iraq and more to do with the fact the Bush has been seen by conservatives as too willing to work with Democrats on several issues.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:53 am
R.O. — It may be that you are not completely familiar with the intricacies of these highly imaginative 9/11 conspiracy theories. The “no-planers” say that the video of the planes hitting the Twin Towers was faked, or that the 767s were holographic projections. Others believe that the planes were empty, flown by remote control.
October 6th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Richard W:
I’m sorry, but the 911 report is just not on my reading list. I was just saying I’ll bet they didn’t ask any questions about the alleged demolition explosions. You have read the report. Were there any questions asked about that. I have repeatedly said that I saw Lee Hamilton asked on C-Span if he had bothered to read David Ray Griffin’s books about the attacks and he said he hadn’t. Don’t you think he should have read Griffin’s book?
You are the most careful reporter on this blog and usually get things dead on. It’s amazing to watch you in action, but on this one issue, you seem to be in denial that the administration wanted this attack. It has been their answer to everything in bringing Cheney’s plan to bring unlimited power to the executive branch.
October 6th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Richard O:
I don’t follow the issue of the 911 conspiracies much because it would be better to regain what is left of our democracy or republic or whatever it has become by voting the thugs you protect out of office. We will see what happens on that front very shortly.
I guess the “conventional wisdom” about the thoughts of the American people that day was that they were united with the rest of the world against anybody who would do such a thing. My first thought that morning was:
OH, NO! The Bush administration is going to take all of our freedoms away. I was exactly right! That’s why I hate them. That’s why you should hate them rather then making excuses for them and what they’ve done to the military, the economy, the arts, the sciences, and yes, the family.
October 6th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Larry– The Bush administration is characterized at all levels by incompetence. Bush fires competent, expert professionals and replaces them with unqualified hacks. Yet you seem to think the Bushies pulled off what would have to be the most complex conspiracy in world history, in total secrecy that continues to this day without a single leak.
Thanks for your honesty. You really should read the 9/11 Commission’s report, it’s well worth the time. It’s the first draft of history. It does not cover every detail, more facts have indeed emerged since it was written, but I really doubt that the overall story will turn out to be much different.
Don’t you wish we could have similar commissions to investigate what went wrong with the invasion and occupation of Iraq, Hurricane Katrina, and the mortgage meltdown?
David Ray Griffin is a retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology. He has discovered that there is more of a market for books purveying fanciful 9/11 conspiracy theories than there is for dense philosophical tomes. Conspiracy is a cottage industry for him.
October 6th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Richard,
We may disagree on many issues, but on this one I agree with you completely.
Tell them like it really is.
Maybe the same people who pulled off the 9/11 conspiracy pulled off the murder of 5,000 people during/after Katrina.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Bob S:
Katrina was negligent/convenient homicide, not murder.
Richard W:
I’m lazy and don’t want to read the 911 report. Could you just tell me if the commission ever asked anyone about the explosions?
October 6th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Larry– The 9/11 commission report does not list every question that was asked during the course of the investigation. I don’t know if that’s a good enough answer. In an appendix, the report gives the names of all the people who were interviewed.
If you ever have time to read the report, I think you’ll be convinced they did a very good job with extremely little help from the Bush administration. This was not an “official report” as some have claimed. President Bush even fought the creation of the commission.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Larry– Actually, if you are most interested in knowing specifically what happened at the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001, I recommend 102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive Inside the Twin Towers, by New York Times reporters Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn.
I posted a short excerpt here about 13 months ago: 9/11: ‘Tell the chief what you just told me’.
It’s hard to imagine the chaos. The towers were making loud noises that led some to conclude collapse was inevitable as early as 9:30 that morning, when FDNY Assistant Chief Joseph Callan decided to evacuate the north tower because “there was obvious movement of the building.”
No doubt actual explosions went off, and a lot of noises came from debris and bodies raining down on the pavement. Certainly the impacts must have sounded like explosions. One eyewitness said a falling body on the World Trade Center plaza made a loud bang as if it were a sack of cement.
October 7th, 2008 at 4:04 am
Larry,
You just gave me a great idea. I was planning on producing a series of pro-Obama ads this week. I think now that I will include some of your convincing arguments into one of the ads. Why don’t you and Cliff give me a short list of facts that show how Bush was responsible for 9/11 and I’ll put them in one of the ads for you? If you can tie anything from 9/11 to McCain or Palin that would be great. I am dead serious about this, so be sure to take advantage of this opportunity. Heck, have Cliff send me a single $1 and I’ll even put “PAID BY: OneUtah.org on the bottom. Think of how that will drive readers to this site.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:25 am
RO:
Idiot! W was but a bit player in the process orchestrated by neocons.
Your reading comprehension needs a tune up!
October 7th, 2008 at 11:11 am
RO, we have repeatedly argued that just as there are qualities of lies (lies of omission, commission), so too are there qualities of responsibility. As the cic, given the fiery hair that was all around, bushes, retreat to the fuzzy catapillar, was somehow a quality of responsibility.
Boom. He did it by NOT DOING what he was hired to do. But, of course, he was not alone in his culpability, and no matter how much he thrashes and wrecks all the other realms over which he has startlingly great impact, nothing will change that.
Is me…cav.