This country has survived many Republican and Democrat administrations and even when Democrats have been in power I never feared for the country because even though Democrats and even some Republican Presidents have been bone headed I always knew they didn’t hate their country, but this election is different. We may be electing the first person ever who does not have the best interest of this country at heart. Barack Obama has associated himself his entire adult life with people who hate this country and would love to see if fall. I believe along with many others that Obama shares the views of those he has surrounded himself with. If Obama wins I know one thing for certain this country will never be the same, and not for the better, and may even cease to exist. Which many of Obama’s friends would love to see and could possibly be his ultimate goal.

“We may be electing the first person ever, who …” Actually, Ken we already did that. Sort of. In 2000 and again in 2004.

Try again.

Wow, paranoid histrionics coming from your kneck of the woods. Who’d a thunk it? Now where did I put my foil hat?

Bob:

I may be going out on a limb here, but let’s assume everything you say is true.

So freaking what? Compared to the disaster that W wrought upon this nation and McSame proposes to continue, just what is it with the Ayers and Wright connections that could be worse?

I understand your concerns re the 2nd Amend. so you need not respond on that point.

Albert/James/Whoever,

So would you feel comfortable electing a white man who believed the only way to save the white race was to destroy another?
If Obama attended that church for 20 years, there are a couple of premises we can review:
1. He doesn’t believe in God/Black Liberation Theology and was using membership in the church to get votes
2. He attended church and does believe in God, but not the theology preached there.
3. He believes in the Black Liberation Theology preached at that church
4. He attended the church, believes in God but was completely clueless as to the theology of the church.

If premise 1, he is a cynical self-serving politician and I don’t want to vote for him. If you don’t believe, stand up and say so. Don’t pretend.
If premise 2, he is a cynical self-serving politician and I don’t want to vote for him. I want someone willing to act on his beliefs. If he didn’t believe in that theology, he should have gone someplace where he can support.
If premise 3, I don’t agree with the values, principles and concepts as espoused by Black Liberation Theology and don’t want anyone in office who does. This would also go for those who believe the opposite is true, I don’t want them in office either.
If premise 4, he is completely clueless and is as bad or worse then what the liberals here say about Bush. I wouldn’t want to vote for anyone that Clueless. Do you?

Read what Ayers is advocating in his position as a professor of Education. Read what the Chicago Annenberg grant money did. I don’t want people advocating positions opposing mine to be elected.

Bush, for all his many faults, has not tried to hide his associations or agendas. Obama is, so the question is why?

I believe that he is trying to hide how extremely liberal he is, only to get into office.

I see Obama’s policy as continuing this country slide into socialism and even accelerating that slide.

As for Rev. Wright, I remember well my church leaders speaking from the pulpit the racially repugnant idea that dark skin was a curse from God for the disbelief of their ancestors. My AP history teacher also taught in class that the holocaust of the Jews in Germany was exaggerated to instill zionist sympathies. Such a belief didn’t stop him from being called Bishop. I even had a former employee of mine who had an arsenal in his basement waiting for the black helicopters with the UN flag. A guy I played basketball with on a regular basis was shot dead after he and his buddies gang-raped the girlfriend of their drug dealer. Yeah, I’ve got some shady people I’ve dealt with. Some of these guys, I have fond feelings for, despite their beliefs or mistakes. But the paranoia that Obama is some Manchurian candidate is so implausible and off the wall, you really have to wonder about the mental stability of the individuals who hold them.

BTW Ken, me and my pals with the black helicopters ARE coming, but it won’t be UN flags, but Obama banners. Be afraid, be very afraid. Bwahahahaha!

Obi wan liberali
Trilateral Commission
Tooele Chapter

Bekkieann,

What is decades old? Obama’s attending the Trinity United Church of Christ?

Doesn’t he still have membership there? When did Rev. Wright step down?

According to MSNBC, Wright didn’t step down from Obama’s campaign until March of this year….hardly decades old.

updated 8:09 p.m. CT, Fri., March. 14, 2008

Editor’s note: This article includes language some readers may consider inappropriate.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., condemned racially charged sermons by his former pastor Friday and urged Americans not to reject his presidential campaign because of “guilt by association.”

Obama’s campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs.

People question McCain’s judgment and vetting process regarding Palin, but consider Obama’s vetting process for an advisor on his “spiritual” committee.

By the way, why does Bush get pilloried by the left for believing but Obama doesn’t?

Obama and Ayers served together on a foundation 6 years ago…again not decades old

From 1999 To 2002, Obama Served With Ayers On The Board Of Directors For Woods Fund Of Chicago. “[Ayers] served with [Obama] from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund, an anti-poverty group.” (Timothy J. Burger, “Obama’s Chicago Ties Might Fuel ‘Republican Attack Machine’,” Bloomberg, 2/15/08)

Don’t want to quible, let’s ask Richard to host another Point/Counterpoint. He was kind enough to do that previous. Maybe we an limit it to a single issue.
What issue would you like to discuss, my fellow BSer?

Bekkieann,

I won’t condemn anyone for a believing if that faith doesn’t call for others to be hurt. If that faith calls for others to be hurt or put down I think it goes against what I believe to be Christianity.

I pointed out that while Ayer’s activities are decades old, sort of like the Keating 5 activities, Obama’s involvement isn’t.
Notice that I’m trying to focus not on what Ayer’s did in the past, but how it influences Obama now.

The economy is a very broad topic…any particular interests?

Bob S.
What’s wrong with Ayers’ more recent activities? How do they influence Obama now? Is advocating for better inner city schools a bad thing? Republicans work with Ayers all the time these days.

Bob S.:

I have been a Catholic for 50 years now, but I don’t practice everything taught by my church. In fact, I find repugnant some of the things taught by my church. So, I guess I’m still left to wonder just what is the point you are trying to make.

PS. Speaking of churches, we all know about some silly bullshit church up in Wasilla Alaska that teaches bizarre crap. Are you going to offer a lecture about that as well?

Oh yeah, I was wondering if you were still in school Ken . . . because you aren’t getting any smarter.

My liberal education has failed to make me liberal.

Obi wan,
I was going to say the same thing, but I figured I’d let someone else do the piling on.