I want to float this idea and see who says what:
As of this election, Utah is no longer the most Republican state in the US – that honor goes to Oklahoma with Wyoming in second place. Salt Lake County has a Democratic mayor and majority on the County Council. We picked up two seats in the Legislature. One of the Republicans to lose was the powerful speaker of the House. Obama did better in Utah than any Democrat has done for decades.
Buttars and Hughes managed to hold on.
When Markos first organized YearlyKos people thought he was nuts. But it’s grown and become part of the progressive world.
I think we need a Utah version of YKos – call it a “Turning Utah Purple” conference at which we gather progressive and liberal bloggers and activists, maybe some pols even, and strategize on how we’re going to turn Utah purple – let’s start figuring out how to tturn Utah into a swing state.
We’d work on messaging, figuring out the details of running campaigns, including fund-raising for those campaigns.
What say you?



#1 by Becky Stauffer on November 6, 2008 - 10:44 am
Yesterday, DNC Chairman Howard Dean specifically mentioned Utah and how the DNC had opened an office here and established people on the ground. He said it wasn’t because they thought Utah could be turned blue this election, but that some progress might be made in that direction. He pointed out that after this election Utah is no longer the reddest state in the country — that we had moved to third or fourth.
I love that the DNC hasn’t given up on us and is making this effort. Let’s keep it going! One thing for sure, the Democrats have figured out how to run a smart, high-tech, well-organized campaign.
#2 by Glenden Brown on November 6, 2008 - 10:54 am
Becky – I saw Dean and heard him say that and that’s what got me thinking about this idea. We need to do the work in Utah, though, as Utahns. I mean that seriously. Utah values are progressive values but there’s often a translation problem – terminology used by LDS members often sounds the same but means something different than what is used by progressives. There’s an unnecessary disconnect.
Maybe we in Utah need to start doing some of this work ourselves.
#3 by Ken on November 6, 2008 - 10:56 am
The only purple I support in Utah is Weber State University. However I don’t mind having a few Democrats around to help keep the Republicans feet to the fire, I just don’t want Democrats in power.
#4 by Richard Warnick on November 6, 2008 - 11:15 am
I’ve been around long enough to have met Governor Scott Matheson, not a progressive by any means but a successful Democratic politician and a very good chief executive. His administration probably represents the best Democratic Party loyalists can ever hope for in a statewide election.
Gov. Matheson’s shade of purple, though not as red as Rep. Jim Matheson, was also not blue enough to excite lovers of change IMHO. I did contribute to DFA after the Kerry debacle, but rally I’m not in anybody’s base. I am going to pick and choose which Democratic candidates to support.
#5 by Becky Stauffer on November 6, 2008 - 11:47 am
So Ken, you oppose ALL Democrats no matter what? Isn’t that a little arbitrary? Wouldn’t it be smart to know individually what their positions are before deciding?
#6 by Ken on November 6, 2008 - 12:30 pm
Becky
Didn’t you read were I said I don’t mind some Democrats around to keep the Republicans inline and focused? I just don’t want them to be the majority. Also I don’t buy the notion that it is good to vote for candidate regardless of the party. When you elect a state legislature or a national Congressmen or Senator you are not voting for one man or woman. You are actually voting for a complete government structure. When the winning candidate takes power the first thing they do is elect the leadership and the party in the majority gets to choose every committee chairmanship including the speaker of the House. Take for instance Scott Mathison. He may be a more conservative Democrat and he may vote with Utah in certain issues but the first thing he does every two years is to elect Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House and helps empower far left wing Congressmen into every committee chairmanships. So even though he may say he is for issues important to Utah, he empowers people who have an agenda diametrically opposed to the values of his constituents.
So you can never just vote for a candidate. You may be a Republican but you like Scott Mathison and so you vote for him, but do you also like Nancy Pelocy?. Do you like having democrats in charge of every committee where they set the agenda and can push though and block legislation at whim?
Some Republicans voted for Barack Obama but did they realize they were voting for an entire government structure including cabinet members that are in charge of hundreds of government agencies, as well as judgeships up to and including the US Supreme Court that their appointments can effect cases 20- 40 years into the future?
This is why it is naive and even wreckless to vote for a candidate from another party just because you like him or her. You may like the candidate but you may not like the massive baggage that comes with it.
#7 by David on November 6, 2008 - 1:08 pm
Ken,
Have we had some rousing success with Republicans in charge of all those committees and cabinet positions that I was unaware of? The fact is that both parties are riddled with issues. Better to have power change hands on occasion than to decide that one party is permanently the better choice for our government leadership.
#8 by marshall on November 6, 2008 - 5:50 pm
Ken – Go fix your own fucked up party!
Please include me on any communication on this, I would be interested to see Utah become blue, screw purple.
#9 by Larry Bergan on November 6, 2008 - 6:14 pm
I haven’t wanted to know if we were the state to display more votes for McCain then any other, but:
THANK GOD or whoever else is responsible; perhaps Peter Caroon.
UTAH! We’re not the worst!
#10 by Larry Bergan on November 6, 2008 - 6:20 pm
Thank Howard Dean for this historic and happy transition and let’s figure out how to herd the cats of democracy.
#11 by Cliff Lyon on November 6, 2008 - 7:21 pm
Ken’s argument is based upon the premise that more political balance across branches yields better results for the country.
That always seems more true when you are the minority party.
But in this case, fails to take into account the FACT that the current batch of Republicans are bent upon power for power’s sake and the permanent destruction of the democratic party and willing take the entire country down in the process.
This Republican Party has been overrun by sick fat white far right corrupt power freaks that have no interest in governing.
Thats why you see moderates like Chambliss losing and Blunt stepping down.
People who follow politics closely believe very strongly that Democratic domination of all three branches will be critical to fix this country, and that it will pull both parties further left.
Whats left of the republican party just became irrelevant. Please refer back to my post about how to fix the republican party.
#12 by C av on November 6, 2008 - 8:39 pm
Paraphrasing Ken:
Yes, and I honestly believe that some few Republicans should be left in place. Not so much for anything philosphical they might offer, or for the insane notion that they might represent some of the citizenry (besides themselves, of course), more as a reminder of what a serious mistakes it would be to once again relinquish control to such misinformed, small ‘patriots’.
#13 by Ken on November 6, 2008 - 9:13 pm
Cliff
We are like the Isrealites wondering the wilderness not allowed into the promised land till an enire generation died off. The Replican party may not be able to revitalize itself until the current political generation is gone and a new uncurrupted and princlepled group take their place. Unfortunatly the Republicans we got when we were in the majority were more interested in power than staying true to principle. Cliff, I think even a liberal like you would actually support a Republican party that stands for liberty, and fiscal responsibiility, and promotes opportunity for all.
There are some things that I hope Democrats can accomplish in the next Congress. I don’t want to see crippling regulation on business but I would like to see some legislation that makes business more responsible. Corporate responsibility needs to become as engrained in our society as personal responsibility. Americans believe in a strong work ethic but we don’t hold corporations to that same high standard.
I would like to see Democrats repeal one of the worst peices of legislation to come out of the Republican controlled Congress and that is the bankrupsy Reform Act. Not that I think bankrupcy is a good thing but this bill was written by credit card companies, for credit card companies. It was designed to make consumers more responsible but instead it made lenders, credit card companies, and morgage companies less responsible. Loaning money should be a risky proposition. Risk makes lending companies more responsible and carefull to whom they loan money to. Responsibility is a two way street and we shouldn’t expect comsumers to be responsible while giving business a pass.
I also would like to see Democrats reign in credit reporting agencies. If ever there was an industry that I believe should be regulated to the teeth its this one. They keep information on people that can ruin thier lives, and even keep people from getting jobs. Credit reporting agencies should be held financially responsilbe for any errors in thier data. Even one error should carry massive penalties so severe that credit reporting agencies double and triple check every peice of data that comes thier way. We have a system now were the burden of proof is on the consumer to make sure thier credit reports are accurate. This needs to change where credit reporting agencies have the burden of proof and if they cannot absolutly prove there data is correct then then it is incumbant on them to remove erroneas data and compensate the consumer for damages if it results in a denied loan or loss of a potential job. Our credit system keeps people in poverty and makes it very difficult to get out it is in fact a modern version of a debtors prison. Credit reports should be for credit period. It should be illegal to consult a credit reporting agency for job referals except in some limited occupations that is directly related to finance.
So there are some things I would like to see Democrats do and if they don’t go overboard and it is based on personal and corporate responsibility then I would support it.
#14 by Cliff Lyon on November 6, 2008 - 9:29 pm
Cav, LBYY (Lower Belly Yuk Yuk) on the ‘insane notion that they might represent some of the citizenry’
This election is an unprecidented landslide in scope and message. American needs and wants to move forward bravely into new era and ‘Yes We Can’
The republicans will only slow us down. They must become irrelevant. They must be convinced to simply shut up and listen.
#15 by Becky Stauffer on November 6, 2008 - 9:32 pm
Ken, the Israelites ‘wandered’ not ‘wondered’. Though after that many years, they probably did start to wonder.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with you on the repeal of the ill-conceived bankruptcy legislation. And your idea about the credit reporting agencies, while maybe not so important to me, sounds like a good idea.
#16 by Cliff Lyon on November 6, 2008 - 9:53 pm
That was a very thoughtful post Ken. A bit radical for you.
I noticed you didn’t go fully anti-corporate.
Your concluding was revealing:
So now, I’d like you to think about this: How are “personal (individual) and corporate responsibility” different?
Should a corporation be subject to a higher standard of responsibility than the individual?
Should individuals be judged the same as corporations?
I appreciate your response.
#17 by Ken on November 6, 2008 - 10:07 pm
Cliff
The rule should be “The greater the power the greater the responsibility”. Greater rewards for success should come hand in hand with greater penalties for failure. Obviously we cannot punish a corperation the same as we do an individual, but we can hold the leaders of corperation personally responsible. The law of the sea demanded that the captian go down with the ship. Captains of industry should suffer the same fate. Simply because a company fails should not land a CEO or executive in jail but when the failure was a result of curruptoin then heads should role and that CEO be made to share a cell with a guy named Bubba.
Yes corporations should be held at a higher standard because their actions effect hundreds if not thousands of people. Customers, employees, and stock holders and even tax payers suffer when the currupt actions of corporations is the cause of thier failures.
Government should be held at an even higher standard because they are a public trust. Currupt politicians should also become aquainted with Bubba as well.
#18 by Cliff Lyon on November 6, 2008 - 10:22 pm
Excellent Ken!
Ok, so now, lets reconcile these two statements:
#19 by Kevin Owens on November 7, 2008 - 10:29 am
I would hope to see more political balance in Utah. I am a Republican, and even I feel suffocated by the Republican dominance here. I think if we had more competitive elections, we’d have better statesmen. An incumbent Republican here knows he will win no matter what, which makes it hard for him to promote ideas that are different and positive.
If it weren’t for the years of Republican dominance we’ve had in the country lately, perhaps we wouldn’t have so many neoconservatives in power promoting their philosophy of polite totalitarianism.
I hope we can get some balance and competition going here in Utah, so we can focus on ideas instead of power, and policies instead of politics.