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Tim DeChristopher Democracy Now Interview


Here’s Tim’s interview sliced (MP3) from the whole show for you convenience.  Its fantastic! As usual, Amy is great.

Please pass it around as broadly as possible.  We’ll post the results of the court hearing as it happens.

Posing As A Bidder, Utah Student Disrupts Government Auction of 150,000 Acres Of Wilderness For Oil & Gas Drilling

In a national broadcast exclusive, University of Utah student Tim DeChristopher explains how he “bought” 22,000 acres of land in an attempt to save the property from drilling. The sale had been strongly opposed by many environmental groups. Stephen Bloch of the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance said: “This is the fire sale, the Bush administration’s last great gift to the oil and gas industry.”

Please donate to Tim’s legal defense.

$1100 raised so far! Thank you!

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  1. #1 by Dave Gardner - December 22nd, 2008 at 10:31

    Tim, At a time when the deceptive and, I think, criminal acts of our current administration have taken the people out of the decision process on our public lands- you have found a way back in the door- Thank you brother for your selfless act. You have my supp0rt- Dave

  2. #2 by George - December 22nd, 2008 at 12:11

    This is in case other readers had trouble donating to Tim’s defense fund. The link to donate wouldn’t open on my computer, so I’ve sent a check to the address given: Center for Water Advocacy, Attn: Tim DeChristopher Legal Defense Fund, PO Box 331, Moab 84532.

  3. #3 by Becky - December 22nd, 2008 at 12:24

    Great interview. Amy is thorough as always. Tim, I am so impressed with your commitment to your principles and the brillliant way you have handled this every step of the way. We are here for you. You are most definitely not alone!

  4. #4 by Larry Bergan - December 22nd, 2008 at 17:57

    Tim is an inspirational student hero. Thanks to Amy Goodman for pledging to follow this story!

    If you want to see an inspirational professor hero, be sure to watch the the second part of this very important episode of Democracy Now. Mark Crispin Miller knows what he is talking about. Bush was never a legitimate president and never had the right to take ANYTHING from Utah, let alone our priceless wilderness!

  5. #5 by Kevin - December 22nd, 2008 at 22:06

    I gave 25 and after I heard him I went back and gave another 50….

  6. #6 by Pamela Rainsong - December 23rd, 2008 at 06:46

    He’s my new hero! Woo Hoo!

    I have soooo much respect for what he did.

    Thank you!

    –Pamela Rainsong

  7. #7 by Sven - December 23rd, 2008 at 10:00

    Can SUWA raise 1,8 million for paying for these leases in whole? That would be a good way to validate what Tim has done and to protect him from any legal repercussions.

  8. #8 by Richard Warnick - December 23rd, 2008 at 10:19

    SUWA has over $5 million in their investment portfolio, but Executive Director Scott Groene told the Salt Lake Tribune they don’t support Tim’s actions.

    Also, let’s not forget the main issue. This lease sale was illegal. Paying for the leases would imply the sale was legitimate.

  9. #9 by Richard Warnick - December 24th, 2008 at 12:30

    Josh Marshall quotes a Talking Points Memo reader e-mail (emphasis added):

    The fuss over DeChristopher stems from his disruption of a last-minute push by the Bush administration to give away public lands for a pittance. That’s apparently why the rules were changed for this auction, waiving the time-consuming prequalification procedures that would ordinarily have prevented a stunt like this. As one former BLM director put it: “It was rush before the door slams behind them: ‘Let’s get as many leases out as possible.’”

    But what I really love about the story is the complaint that DeChristopher “tainted the entire auction,” by running up prices by thousands of dollars on all the lots he didn’t actually win. Honestly, I don’t understand that. How could bidders have overpaid? They knew what they were buying, and presumably, they wouldn’t have been willing to bid more than they felt the parcels were worth. So the complaint is that DeChristopher’s intervention narrowed the spread between the value of the rights and their price at auction. I understand why the bidders are angry, but shouldn’t BLM be pleased?

    Auctions work on the theory that open bidding will efficiently yield the highest price any bidder is willing to pay. DeChristopher’s stunt suggests that, for whatever reason, that’s often not the case at BLM auctions. It turns out that, when pressed, most bidders are willing to pay more, often much more. In other words, DeChristopher exposed the fact that we’re routinely selling the rights to public land for less than its actual market value. No wonder BLM is mad.

  10. #10 by Moribund Republic - December 24th, 2008 at 12:38

    Wasn’t it the Sotheby’s and Christie’s auction houses that was discovered to have have shills in the room to up the bidding in the auctions they held, as well as price fixing?

    Illegal should not make anyone happy, illegal in the government and accepting it is in direct contravention of the Oath all people serving in government must swear to. Falsely bidding up anything is a crime. It is fraud.

    With such limited understanding of ethics and the rush to see benefit in crimes as long as they serve your politics, it is no small wonder that this country is run buy a bunch of criminals. It would appear some members of the populace just don’t know the difference.

  11. #11 by gizmo - December 24th, 2008 at 12:51

    Great job, Tim- thanks for what you have done! Check out this line from a news story about the BLM auction:

    “The BLM is giving the other bidders 10 days to decide if they want to withdraw their bids on the parcels they won at inflated prices.”

    The key phrase here is “inflated prices.” The other bidders were willing to pay those prices, so in what sense are the prices “inflated?” Tim has succeeding in revealing the truth– that these auctions are private, good ‘ol boy affairs in which the participants are accustomed to stealing these leases way under true market value. My bet is that the various energy development companies have a private pow-wow before the auctions take place, and sort out who is going to buy what, thus minimizing any actual competition.

    Bravo. Tim !

  12. #12 by Moribund Republic - December 24th, 2008 at 16:37

    Auctions are places that define market price gzimo.

    Anyone involved in the bidding process illegitimately is affecting the bid prices, and committing fraud.

    1) You have to be there at the auction, many a bargain is had at auction, many a bidder pays too much for items at auction. This is the free market in action.

    2) What you describe the oil industry bidders perhaps doing is collusion to price fixing.

    Both are highly illegal activities. In the first we have Tim’s admission of guilt. In the second we have your speculation. Gathering of evidence on the 2nd would be great if you could find it.

  13. #13 by Larry Bergan - December 24th, 2008 at 22:29

    If our state prosecutors go after this Utah activist, won’t they be putting themselves in the position of having to define a premeditated fraud?

    Good luck with that.

  14. #14 by Moribund Republic - December 24th, 2008 at 23:16

    How would they?

    It doesn’t have to be premeditated to be a crime. Could be 2nd or 3rd degree, and as such is criminal without premeditation.

  15. #15 by Bob Syslo-Seel - December 25th, 2008 at 09:18

    All we need to do is raise the $45,000 to protect Tim from charges that his “bids” were fraudulent. Then they can resolve this in the courts during the NEXT administration. Everybody who wants to protect our wilderness areas should cough up a small donation. We can do this, YES WE CAN. Tim is the change we have been waiting for.

  16. #16 by Moribund Republic - December 25th, 2008 at 09:38

  17. #17 by robert - December 25th, 2008 at 09:38

    the fundraising link isn’t working.

    That said, i agree that the leases should not be paid for b/c it would validate the process.

  18. #18 by Moribund Republic - December 25th, 2008 at 09:40

    This is the latest catastrophe.

     kennysideshow.blogspot.com

  19. #19 by Damian Nash - December 31st, 2008 at 11:39

    What this thread is missing is the fundamental proposition of non-violent civil disobedience: Not all laws are just, and unjust laws must be challenged by responsible citizens for the benefit of others. So here’s my two-cents, starting with a word that fills the hearts of many and also inflames others.

    Tim DeChristopher’s action was highly patriotic in the sense of the word’s original meaning — which comes from the Latin word “patria,” meaning “homeland” — as a person who defends the LAND they love. The current, distorted meaning of the word patriot connotes a blind defense of capital and the unquestioning willingness to kill or die in the name of the corporate interests of wealthy Americans. But DeChristopher is a true patriot, in the original and best sense of the word. He took a courageous stand to protect the beautiful land of America.

    Both Gandhi and Martin Luther King disapproved of violence, but also understood how their methods of protest exposed the violence that was already present in society, lurking below the surface in the oppressive regimes they confronted. While the protesters who followed Gandhi and MLK committed no acts of violence, they were exposed to terrible acts of violence from the police, who represented the arm of enforcement for unjust laws written by corrupt powers.

    Similarly, there is great psychological and social violence hiding underneath the chant, “Drill, baby, drill!” heard frequently at the Republican national convention. Large masses of well-meaning Americans have been brainwashed by Cheney and his friends – they truly believe the only answer for America’s financial woes lies in the further rape and pillage of the American home-land. Last week DeChristopher walked into the jaws of that angry mob. He will now be judged on the basis of desperate, last-minute legislation written to support a final land grab by the Grand Oil Party.

    Gandhi and MLK both humbly adhered to Jesus’s commandment to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” They firmly believed that wisdom and justice would ultimately prevail, not by destroying the people who opposed their peaceful agendas, but by appealing to their shared humanity and eventually winning enemies over as allies. History has proven them right. Greed, anger, and other human frailties turn into social memes (like “drill, baby, drill”) that galvanize mobs, sway public opinion and cloud the judgment of people who are truly well-intentioned.

    Because ignorance, not malevolence, is the source of the vast majority of human conflicts, the principles of non-violent civil disobedience actually work: Kindness and compassion for individuals (if not institutions), the willingness to educate others, and the courage to challenge others to act more responsibly toward their communities and, in this case, toward their planet. I hope that those of us who stand alongside Tim will demonstrate all three.

    Best regards,

    Damian Nash
    Moab, Utah

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