Actually, Cheney is the Walrus.

It would be funny if the gusher in the Gulf is really our Strategic Petroleum Supply spilling out into the water.

Richard Warnick :R.O.–
If Glenn Beck had a map, it would probably be from the Flat Earth Society. Faux News does not seem to understand that there is a difference between false information and true information.

Can you be more specific? EXACTLY which “false information” has Beck been giving?

James, nobody but the extreme left cares by now.

Beck is at least attacking the incompetent idiot fraud Obama, and inveterate LIAR in spades, and we can be thankful for Beck’s efforts, fighting lies with lies, fire with fire, at this point, whatever it takes to topple the Dissembler in Chief.

Go Glenn!!

Hey where is the fu*kin’ idiot who was always going on and on about how the African Prince was going to bring us into the blazing future? Where are Cliff and Becky these days, hiding under a rock?

Oh right, the well did actually blow up and blazed as the bowels of Hell released into the Gulf.

I am much more concerned about Obama’s constant lying, and the like of questionable supposed Ph.d’s such as yourself still believing in the charlatan. Didn’t you claim a Ph.d in engineering? I mean geeze James, this performance by Doh’bama has absolutely no excuses. Completely dropped the ball, and the bulk of the problems stem directly with the man at the top, and his worthless, incompetent appointments, Salazar namely, who approved the drilling of this well by Halliburton(the drilling contractor), Trans Ocean owned the drilling rig, and BP was the parent company. Obama is(for now) the (p)resident who approved the well. His name is ALL over this. He couldn’t be more tarred and feathered if the Tea Party’s had done it themselves!!

He didn’t even take free help from nations with experience that had offered it. If he wasn’t so stupid I would almost think it was on purpose.

Bitter? Naw, it is going to be an awesome November, it is the end of the Democrat Party coming, this was all predicted by Glenn right after the election of Obama, though I am not he.

James; the fact that you are still here shilling for the man tends to show that you are well advanced in losing any level of integrity you may have ever had…but then again, you are lawyer.

So let’s see, tell us about the positives James. Make a list.

Hey, you on prozac now or something?

James & Warnick,

As you know, I began my last “moronic” statement by first comparing Beck and Maddow.

Now for the BIG question!

HAS RACHEL MADDOW EVER LIED?

And to cut to the real question that I was hoping to eventually get to…

Are there any verifiable examples of Mr. Warnick writing essays or posting right here at OneUtah where he outright lies or distorts the truth? ANY?

BTW: James Farmer, it really seems that I am starting to get under your skin. Maybe you should take a few deep breaths or take a break for a while from OneUtah. It seems to be really affecting to in a negative manner. Just repeat after me…

HOPE & CHANGE… HOPE & CHANGE… HOPE & CHANGE…

Also, if you do some single syllable vocalizations in between each one while sitting in the Lotus position, I’m sure you’ll feel much better in a jiffy!

Remember…

HOPE & CHANGE… HOPE & CHANGE… HOPE & CHANGE…

And don’t forget to breath… I hear breathing is very important!

James we now know that Obama lied over and over for BP in publicly making claims about the amount of oil leaking and what the impact would be. As he claimed to be in charge of the “leak” containment effort from the beginning, his statements concerning the amount of oil gushing into the Gulf were abject total lies. That, or Obama is a complete and utter moron BP sock puppet.

We are bringing the troops home from Iraq. A lie Obama uttered.

We are not going to escalate in Afghanistan, another lie uttered by Obama.

We are closing Gitmo…another lie.

There are so many more. Face it, you are a moron James. It is only going to get worse for you as Obama manifests.

The African Prince is missing his loincloth. He has no clothes Dr. Farmer. Obama is a lawyer, you are a lawyer, you are both lying on each others behalf it would seem.

RO and ES (Glenn): You, and particularly ES, would both do well to look the definition of a “lie” up in the dictionary. Iraq, Gitmo and Afghanistan are hardly lies, and as for underestimating the flow of oil from the gulf? Give me a break. So did everyone else.

James Farmer,

You should have known, if you actually are an attorney, that it is fool hearty to ask a question in a debate that you do not already know the answer too. How Stupid and Moronic for me to set Warnick up like this, right?

BTW: please stop grouping my statements in with those of others. I never accused Obama of lying and I never directly defended Beck, I merely compared Maddow’s tactics to his. Try to keep it straight or someone may come along and think that you are a congenital ignoramus.

Sorry Robert, I just inadvertantly dumped what I thought was a well thought out response to your questions. Grrr. I’ll give it another try, just not right now – too frustrated.

EXACTLY my point Brewski!

And when did I ever say I was part of the TEA Party movement?

Also, notice the use of the term “Teabaggers” vs. TEA Party. Apparently, Mr. Farmer is using the popular vernacular for sucking on a person’s testicles when referring to us. Real sharp mind at work there!

BTW: I like how you referenced the post by the number. It made it much easier to find. I’ll certainly have to start doing that.

Residents of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida are livid with BP in the wake of the massive, never-ending oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico – and President Barack Obama says they ought to be. But there’s one aspect of the BP story that most of those angry residents of the Gulf states aren’t aware of. And the president hasn’t had a thing to say about it.
Even as the tar balls hit Gulf beaches, their tax dollars are subsidizing BP and so far, Obama has not shown the slightest indication that he plans to stop their flow into BP coffers, despite the recent call of Public Citizen, a watchdog group, to end the nation’s business dealings with company. In fact, the Department of Defense, which has a longstanding, multi-billion dollar business relationship with BP, tells TomDispatch that it has no plans to
sever current business ties or curtail future contracts with the oil giant.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/LF19Dj02.html

The government doesn’t seem poised to go after BP in a big way, but by golly, they have found another small time “bad apple” to go after.

Wired has an interesting article concerning the Wikileaks video released to the public a few months ago.

Daniel Ellsberg has been telling people with sensitive information about the military to come forward as he did years ago. Looks like someone has, saying he uncovered:

“incredible things, awful things … that belonged in the public domain, and not on some server stored in a dark room in Washington DC.”

Also, from the Wired article:

In January, while on leave in the United States, Manning visited a close friend in Boston and confessed he’d gotten his hands on unspecified sensitive information, and was weighing leaking it, according to the friend. “He wanted to do the right thing,” says 20-year-old Tyler Watkins. “That was something I think he was struggling with.”

The released Wikileaks video, which Richard posted here, ultimately resulted in a couple of the men involved in the very unfortunate event apologizing to people who lost loved ones. I think that makes us safer, and I hope the military and the president have mercy on this kid!

Ref: 37

Cav,

I absolutely love it when people try to say something by simply linking to the work of others. Unfortunately we are no further along in our discussion since I still have little idea by reading these articles, which of the opinions in these articles you agree with. The only thing that appears clear, since both articles discuss the eventual end to Israel, that you support such an end as a viable solution to the conflict.

If this is true, Cav, then let me ask you AGAIN; how do you propose to bring about the END OF ISRAEL?

Also, here’s another question you missed on the topic you brought up. So you don’t have to scroll up, I’ll republish some of it here.

“So tell me Cav; if she was correct to say that Israelis should return to wherever they came from like “Germany and Poland” (her words) then was she wrong to later recant and apologize?”

Here’s a couple more… (So that you can be a little more specific in your answer this time.)

“Just curious Cav, do you believe that the Jews should be removed from Israel, even if by force if necessary? Should the region be “cleansed” of all Jews for the sake of the Palestinians at gun point?”

and

”Or do you have some other grand plan to bring peace to the region. Would this plan include arming Hamas by completely removing the Egyptian/Israeli blockade?”

One more new question since we are at least leaning towards the basic understanding that you apparently want to see Israel removed from the middle east and have all the Jews sent “home.”

How do you plan on dealing with the fact that Israel most likely has nuclear weapons. Presumably, these weapons would likely be used by a government and people facing the destruction of their country. How do you propose we deal with this threat when you start packing Jews up to send the “home?”

I personally know that if the U.S. was facing certain destruction, I would have no problem using Nukes to defend her. I imagine that Israel would do the same. Don’t you?

Crap… where to start?

“Point of fact, MoveOn did not produce an ad comparing President Bush to Hitler.” – Warnick

So let’s be clear…
1. MoveOn hosted an anti-Bush commercial contest…
2. Someone submitted the Bush/Hitler comparison…
3. MoveOn published or “RAN” the commercial on their web site for their members…
4. A huge backlash ensued and MoveOn yanked the ad…
5. Congressman Dick Armey said on Meet the Press, “When MoveOn dot org ran those ads comparing Pres. Bush to Adolf Hitler,” Maddow then said that “Move on never ran an ad that compared Bush to Hitler.”
About this Media Matters says on their web site, “at least one [ad] was posted briefly on the organization’s website … MoveOn quickly removed it and disassociated itself from the offending ads.”
Technically Mr. Armey was right and Maddow was WRONG. So where’s the retraction?
Now, I’m done talking about Warnick’s Girlfriend.

” Also, I find it ironic that this bothers you, because Glenn Beck routinely compares the Obama administration to the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes.” – Warnick

It doesn’t bother me when either side invokes the name of Hitler, so long as the comparison is accurate. The point of the post was not to enter into a discussion about who is most like Hitler but to simply point out that MoveOn did run the ad on their web site and Maddow claimed that they hadn’t.

” As for your ad hominem attack on me, I invite everyone to read what I wrote back in January 2009. I think blogging is for open discussion of vital issues such as U.S. national security, not so much for wasting time with personal attacks on other bloggers. We are not public figures, and nobody is interested in reading about us.” – Warnick

ANYONE who writes essays and has them published here at OneUtah or any other blog is legally considered a “public figure.” Sorry!

”As I have noted previously, it was you who brought up the issue of dual Israeli-American citizenship, saying that some Americans owe “allegiance” to Israel. I was simply agreeing with your comment.” – Warnick

Let’s take a look at another one of Warnick’s LIES. Here is what I wrote in its entirety. Let’s see if anyone can point out where I say that “some Americans owe “allegiance” to Israel.”

“Finally we seem to have made some progress. Thank you for addressing my question. I would hope that we could agree that this conflict has been going on for so long that it is impossible to determine who threw the first stone especially when long standing religious bigotry is involved.
Still, I have long argued that the Palestinian people would do much better utilizing passive resistance the way that Gandhi did against Great Britain. This type of resistance would be much more beneficial for the Palestinian people than constantly waging a war against a much better armed and train military. Especially, in today’s world of hypermedia reporting, world condemnation of any aggression by Israel against a passive non-violent group would be swift.
As for our allegiance and support for Israel, we cannot be ignorant of the fact that a very large number of Israeli citizens are also U.S. citizens. In fact, those with dual citizenship can fulfill their military obligation in Israel by serving in the U.S. military. Because our ties with Israel run so deep it is not realistic to suspect that we would simply cut off aid with Israel. Disarming Israel in this conflict would only invite more bloodshed as many of their neighbors have long called for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. Note that Israel has never called for the destruction of Islam.
Also, I would like to propose that our support both militarily and financially for Israel is what helps us have a say in what happens over there. Without such a connection, your voice against war in the region would only fall on deaf ears.
For these reasons and more I support Israel’s right to defend it’s self. I know if I were in a similar situation, I would expect our military to act swiftly and with devastating force to stop the attacks. While I agree that civilian casualties must be minimized, I also believe that the first priority for Israel to act according to it’s democratic mandate and protect the lives of their civilians first.
Is it your belief that the conflict in Israel and the region would be reduced if we cut off military aid? Do you believe that if weakened militarily, Israel’s neighbors would simply end their opposition? Ultimately, which would save more lives; a strong or weak military in Israel? It is easy for us to all criticize from the comfort and safety here in the U.S. Ultimately, how would you resolve these conflicts?” – Richard Okelberry, Jan 15th, 2009

It is clear that I was saying that as a Nation, much of our support for Israel is derived from the fact that a sizable portion of Israel’s population are U.S. Citizens. This cannot be ignored when discussing this issue. In fact, the entirety of this statement is in support of Israel. This is very different from Mr. Warnick who responded to this post by referencing the now infamous “Jew List” which was designed to ferment distrust of Jews here in America. Mr. Warnick was not agreeing with me as he says but using this opportunity to further his anti-Semitic agenda.

”Never have I maligned anyone based on religion or ethnicity.” – Warnick

This brings us back to Warnick’s use of the “Jew List” to ferment distrust of Jews and question their loyalty. To this, noted Professor and Historian, Steve Siporin responded,

“ …The accusation that Jews have greater loyalties elsewhere has a long, ugly and unjustified history. (I could write about this for hours, but I’ll restrain myself.) Enough to point out that this was precisely the accusation against Jews in fascist Italy and Nazi Germany that claimed they could never be patriotic. (Of course in both countries–I’m most familiar with Italy–Jewish soldiers died in disproportionately high numbers in World War I, defending their respective homelands—Italy, Germany, Austria, etc.—killing each other out of loyalty to their home countries.) The facts just don’t bear out the accusation. The way one writer who was interrogated by the fascists in Italy during the 1930s because he was a Zionist put it was like this: Who do you love more, your mother or your father? Do you have to choose? Don’t you love them both equally? I understand his analogy to be that Israel (though it had not yet been reconstituted) and Italy were like mother and father and he loved them both and there was no contradiction in that.
I think we all have more than one loyalty—to our religion, to our families, to our ethnic group, and so on. These are hardly ever in conflict. In fact they reinforce each other. Jews have thrived in America and have been grateful, loyal Americans. (It would be hard to challenge the patriotism of people on that list, by the way, whether or not one agrees with their political philosophy.) For the most part these other loyalties–religion, family, ethnicity–reinforce our American loyalty because this is the place where it’s ok to be different and we all appreciate that. Israel, of course, has values very close to American values. Growing up in Omaha I never felt any contradiction between what I learned in Hebrew school and what I learned in public school. They reinforced each other at every turn.
Finally, a minor point but one that confirms your instincts about the anti-Semitic nature of this list. It’s the old unspoken prejudice that all members of X ethnic group (no matter which) think the same way and act virtually in unison. Kind of lumps everyone together and they lose their individuality. So, even if all these people are Jewish and hold dual citizenship (which hasn’t been established, merely asserted) that doesn’t mean they hold the same opinions (about Israel or anything else). The old Jewish in-group saying is “Two Jews, Three Opinions.” And it’s true–as recent elections in Israel showed how hard it is to form a government because there are so many parties with such different opinions. You can be sure the people on that list have a range of opinions about Israel as well as other things. You can count on that!” – Professor Siporin

Professor Siporin sounds pretty maligned by Warnick’s use of the “Jew List” to me.

”As I never tire of pointing out, in our long-ago discussion of January 2009 that you can’t seem to get over, YOU introduced the argument that dual U.S. – Israeli citizenship may cause some Americans to owe allegiance to Israel.” – Warnick

Here he just repeats his lie as evidenced by my statement above. I NEVER used someone’s dual citizenship to question their loyalty as this statement implies. I simply argued that we must as a nation (not as “some Americans”) take into consideration the fact that many Israelis are also Americans. As such, their interests and protection as U.S. citizens must be consider by us all as a nation.

”Here’s a direct question. Do you support an FBI investigation into the killing of Furkan Dogan, a 19-year-old American, by Israeli naval special forces?” – Warnick

Finally, Warnick uses the same old tactic that he always uses when pressed into a corner on this issue as he attempts to change the subject and deflect the issue. I personally, support all legal investigation by the FBI into findings of facts. It should be noted though that the mere presence of an investigation does not automatically imply any guilt.

Also…

Everyone should consider the fact that I made two other references comparing Mr. Warnick apparent willingness to twist the truth, the way that he claims Glenn Beck does. While he certainly has shown his dishonest tendencies in his recent posts here regarding Israel, he refused to address the fact that he authored two other essays, one about Israel being guilty of Terrorism and another calling Israel guilty of Piracy. Both of these allegations are not only false, but in the case of calling Israel Terrorists, Mr. Warnick cited a U.S. Statute. In citing his statute, he purposely left out the section that excluded Israel as a sovereign nation from any such charge under the selected statute.

Ultimately, I believe that I have successfully shown how hypocritical Mr. Warnick is in levying his charge of dishonesty against Beck.