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Gun Lobby Trolls, Flag Waving Liars
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Alan Korwin, Gun Control on May 31st, 2008
As you know, we have been invaded by the paid gun lobby web trolls for calling Alan Korwin on the carpet for repeating AND further embellishing one of the gun lobby’s favorite lies on C-Span.
Most recently, troll Bob S has been challenging my use of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) Kellerman Study which states:
In homes with guns, a member of the household is almost three times as likely to be the victim of a homicide compared to gun-free homes.
Like parrots squawking in unison the gun lobby trolls insist the study is “oft-refuted” and flawed. It isn’t flawed and NOBODY has questioned it, except admitted gun freaks.
I checked LexusNexus and found nothing refuting the Kellerman Study. One can be fairly sure if an NEJM published study is challenged and fails, heads roll and careers are destroyed. Today Kellerman maintains the highest level of credentials and respect in his field.
Wikipedia has a good synopsis of the gun-lobby/NRA attack.
Kellermann is well known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm related injuries and deaths, published over two decades in 50 peer-reviewed publications. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann saw firearm and other injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priorities: “I grew up around guns. My dad taught me how to shoot when I was eleven or twelve years old. Firearms are fascinating pieces of equipment. I enjoy the sport of shooting, although I rarely shoot anymore. However, as a clinician, as someone who is committed to emergency medicine, it is equally evident to me that firearm violence is wreaking havoc on public health.”
In this polarized debate, Kellermann’s studies quantifying the risk of mortality associated with gun ownership attracted criticism from pro-gun organizations and individuals. A National Rifle Association of America web page contends that Dr Kellermann “severely understates defensive uses of guns,” and that his “conclusions provide anti-gunners propaganda.” Kellermann’s findings have been linked to the June, 1996 Republican-led decision of the U.S. House Appropriations Committee to strip US$2.6 million from the budget of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control – the exact amount previously set aside for NCIPC/CDC research into the causes and effects of firearm-related death and injury.
In one comment, troll Bob S made this desperate attempt to smear Kellerman.
Following the link conjures an image of a greasy, white, gun-crazed pervert tapping away on a computer on the community room of some Baptist church deep in the boonies outside Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
So just as the gun lobby punished Kellerman for doing his job, Alan Korwin must be held to account for malicious and deliberate deception of the public.
And Alan can thank Bob S, for inspiring yet another public thrashing from OneUtah, for the gun lobby folks on the permanent record
PS: I notice David Hardy, (another peddler of lies using film) went away pretty fast, at least in name.
The Verdict is in: Alan Korwin Told a Lie on C-Span (and refuses to admit it)
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Alan Korwin, Gun Control on April 18th, 2008
Despite claims to the contrary, Alan Korwin did make a public statement that is untrue (a lie), and given the opportunity to apologize or correct his statement, has chosen to defend this untruth.
On April 9th 2008, Alan Korwin appeared on C-Span. In that speech, in reference to gun ownership in America, Alan Korwin claimed “hundreds of thousands of lives are saved each year” [by the defensive use of guns]. His defense is a 1995 poll by Kleck.
But that poll never won peer review, and the 1997 National Institute of Justice Research Brief, “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms” concludes, NSPOF (National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms) based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number.
So Alan’s claim is not only laughable and absurd but also, demonstrably false and therefore irresponsible.
Just in the last 3 pages of this analysis (pg 9-12) finds the following phrases to describe the Kleck and Gertz poll:
“…surprising figure, estimates are far too high.”
“It does not make sense”“…results are almost as absurd”
“If those percentages were close to accurate”
“That number also appears completely out of line”
“Evidence of bias in the DGU estimates is even stronger…”
“…many DGU reports are exaggerated or falsified..”
“…greatly exaggerates the true number…”
“…the DGU estimates are not informative…”
Please find below, the full excerpts from which the above phrases are taken for your convenience.
It is quite clear that integrity and honesty are not qualities that reside in the same personage as many gun-advocates, and most certainly, not ones possessed by Alan Korwin.
Alan Korwin certainly has the ability to verify the accuracy of his claims, as do his interlocutors, many of whom have come to his defense on this blog.
I repeat. THIS is the beauty of the Internet.
“Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms” – Excerpts”
Page 11 Conclusion:
The NSPOF does not provide much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money’s worth. The NSPOF based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number, as do other estimates based on similar surveys. Much debated is whether the widespread ownership of firearms deters crime or makes it more deadly—or perhaps both—but the DGU estimates are not informative in this regard.
IF Gun Advocates Lie (or fib), People Die
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Alan Korwin, Gun Control, People Are Nuts, Republicans, Utah Politics on April 16th, 2008
Update: The original title was “Gun Advocates Lie People Die“.
So,… Alan Korwin did not exactly fib. He repeated a claim supposedly made by professor Gary Kleck. A claim which no one can produce.
I DID however find something else Gary Kleck said:
“..less than 2% of fatal gun accidents occur during defensive gun use.” source
That means that MORE THAN 98 percent of fatal gun accidents DO NOT occur during defensive gun use.
Soooooooo? How DO fatal gun accidents happen?
That pretty much confirms what I though, people don’t kill people, GUNS KILL PEOPLE.
I’m still looking any evidence that ANY fully employed academic would like to claim research that says 2.5mm/700,000/400,000 Americans each year save their lives with guns.
Guns Advocates Lie While People Die
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Alan Korwin, Gun Control, The Constitution on April 15th, 2008
I’ve sent an e-mail to the man pictured to the right. He is a noted gun advocate/writer.
Hi Alan,
I just saw you on C-Span giving a talk on April 8th 2008.
You said, “Guns save hundreds of thousands of lives a year.”
You said this after describing a situation in which a women killed her intruder.
I think this claim needs to be fully explored for veracity because if it is true, we gun control advocates will need to take pause.
If on the other hand, this statement is off by say 99.9%, then it is arguably a lie. As a non-fiction writer, your moral and ethical integrity are in question.
I’ve posted this e-mail on our blog so that you may defend your statement publicly. Please go there to respond.
Thanks
Cliff
This is the beauty of the internet. Unsupportable public comments and the people who make them can be taken to task and a permanent record established.
Fortunately, because of OneUtah’s very high search engine ranking, this post will soon be returned on the first page of a search on Alan Korwin. This is called meritocracy.
I hope he will address our concerns responsibly.

We may finally be looking at the end times for the gun freaks in this country, thanks in large part to their love affair with their Republican benefactors.
Despite this devastating loss for red neck America, the Red Neck Grand Puba Criminal-in-Chief and resident pond scum demonstrated once again the petulant disregard for the law that has characterized his entire disastrous presidency.



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