Posts Tagged guns
Gun Stores And The ‘Obama Bullet Bubble’
Posted by Cliff Lyon in American People, Gun Control, Some people should not own guns on August 27, 2009
I saw this ‘Gun Stores And The ‘Obama Bullet Bubble’
There is a new data set on Gun Dealers in the US against demographic data. There are some interesting correlations. They built a super cool map for that and other great data sets.
Using guns for their intended purpose: Shooting people
Posted by Becky Stauffer in Gun Control, Some people should not own guns on July 22, 2009
Seems we had a little wild wild west shootout at the OK Corral right here in SLC last evening. I apologize for being glib, this story is definitely not funny.
A couple of Neighborhood Watch guys were driving around looking for possible perps responsible for vandalism in the area. Upon questioning a group of roaming girls, one of the girls took offense, and returned home where dad and daughter headed out again, both of them armed, to find the Neighborhood Watch guys.
The KSL story tells us the dad shot the Neighborhood Watch guy leaving him in critical condition and fighting for his life. The shooter claims his victim had pulled a gun on him.
I guess the most troubling thing about this story is that people who are described by their neighbors as normally peacable would consider the need not only to carry the gun, but to draw it and actually use it to solve a situation in which clearly no law had been broken and no-one’s life was threatened..
Yes, this is progress for civilization. People taking the law into their own hands, tracking down and shooting people they deem to be guilty of . . . something. Wouldn’t you say what this country needs is even more guns in the hands of gun nuts like this?
By the way, as of this posting, there were over 500 comments on the KSL article. As curious as I was to see how the comments were trending, I resisted reading them, but perhaps some of our readers can summarize for us.
Gun Lobby REJECTED (by US Senate)
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control, Some people should not own guns, assault weapons on July 22, 2009
Can you say
REJECTED!!!
The 58-39 vote Wednesday defeated a measure giving people with concealed weapons permits the right to carry their firearms into other states that have similar gun laws. Sixty votes were needed to approve the provision, an amendment to a defense spending bill. Read all about it!

The winds of change are in the air. National Rifle Association (NRA) candidates got trounced in the 2008 elections.
The NRA spent over thirty-one times more money against Obama than it spent in its negative efforts in 2000 against Al Gore.
This virtually unreported fact (with the exception of OneUtah) is nevertheless, the strongest indicator of the trending sentiment of the American people.
In head-to-head races between candidates endorsed or “A” rated by the NRA and candidates endorsed by the Brady Campaign, Brady candidates won more than 80 percent (including eight of eight U.S. Senate races).
If you look beyond the noise of the few and vocal gun-freaks, you will find an America who while still holding on to the rather fanciful, historical but wrong interpretation of 2a, have grown weary of the spineless machismo of the NRA. Their strongest advocates are best described as armed ‘Birthers.’
…and we all know what kind of Americans they are.
Some people should not own guns
Posted by Becky Stauffer in This Blog on June 15, 2009
I am starting a new category of posts with this title and plan to post any news accounts that I think fall into this category. Lest some of our frequent visitors misunderstand, I’m not saying all guns should be banned. But I am saying that some people are not responsible enough, for a variety of reasons, to own guns. And these stories are proof of that. I promise to publish corresponding stories of good deeds accomplished with guns.
From SLTrib:
Woman accidentally shot in Magna
A 22-year-old woman was taken to the hospital Sunday after an accidental shooting in Magna. [snip] A Salt Lake County Sheriff’s dispatcher said the woman was shot in the pelvis by a .22-caliber rifle.
There are those who believe our country would be safer if more people owned guns. I contend that guns in some hands will make our country less safe.
Watch for more in this series. Other OneUtah authors, please feel free to publish under this category at any time.
Bill Moyers on Guns and The Gun Lobby
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control on June 12, 2009
I always pay close attention to Bill Moyers because he seems very smart and he is one of the most respected journalist and media thinkers in the world.
The saddest reality:
So, let the faithful of every persuasion keep their guns for hunting and target practice, for collecting. And their permits for a gun to protect their business or home, even though it’s 22 times more likely to shoot a member of their family than an intruder. But, please, every year there are 30,000 gun deaths and more than 400,000 non fatal gun-related assaults. Enough’s enough.
Full Transcript:
BILL MOYERS: Finally, you know by now that in our nation’s capital on Wednesday, an elderly white supremacist and anti-Semite is alleged to have walked into the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum with a rifle and killed a security guard before being brought down himself. 88 years old!
You will know, too, of the recent killing in church of Dr. George Tiller, one of the few doctors in the country still performing late term abortions. It was evidence that violence works. His family has now announced that his Kansas clinic will not be reopened. Read the rest of this entry »
Utah is the Only State Which…(Fill in The Blank)
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control, SLC Politics, Utah Legislature, Utah Politics, utah on April 24, 2009
Once again, in the context of the entire Country, Utah is special. It can only be for 2 reasons.
1. We are the MOST progressive State
2. We are the LEAST progressive State.
I guess it depends…
The Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus, Students For Gun-Free Schools, and the North Texas Brady Campaign held a major rally in Austin, Texas on the second anniversary of the Virginia Tech to protest state legislation to permit students to carry guns on campuses at public universities.
Watch this ABC News video, and see the press release below. Read the rest of this entry »
U.S. Stymied as Guns Flow to Mexican Cartels
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control, assault weapons on April 15, 2009
Stolen in full from The Gun Guys
Must Read Front Page New York Times Story:
(New York Times: Soldiers guarded a display of weapons seized in an operation against the Gulf cartel, which operates in Mexico City. Mexico is desperate for the United States to do more to stop the steady flow of weapons over the border. In the last six months, federal agents have begun stopping cars they have reason to believe are carrying guns into Mexico).
HOUSTON — John Phillip Hernandez, a 24-year-old unemployed machinist who lived with his parents, walked into a giant sporting goods store here in July 2006, and plunked $2,600 in cash on a glass display counter. A few minutes later, Mr. Hernandez walked out with three military-style rifles. One of those rifles was recovered seven months later in Acapulco, Mexico, where it had been used by drug cartel gunmen to attack the offices of the Guerrero State attorney general, court documents say. Four police officers and three secretaries were killed. Although Mr. Hernandez was arrested last year as part of a gun-smuggling ring, most of the 22 others in the ring are still at large.
Before their operation was discovered, the smugglers had transported what court documents described as at least 339 high-powered weapons to Mexico over a year and a half, federal agents said. “There is no telling how long that group was operating before we caught on to them,” said J. Dewey Webb, the agent in charge of the Houston division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Noting there are about 1,500 licensed gun dealers in the Houston area, Mr. Webb added, “You can come to Houston and go to a different gun store every day for several months and never alert any one.”
The case highlights a major obstacle facing the United States as it tries to meet a demand from Mexico to curb the flow of arms from the states to drug cartels. The federal system for tracking gun sales, crafted over the years to avoid infringements on Second Amendment rights, makes it difficult to spot suspicious trends quickly and to identify people buying for smugglers, law enforcement officials say. As a result, in some states along the Southwest border where firearms are lightly regulated, gun smugglers can evade detection for months or years. In Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, dealers can sell an unlimited number of rifles to anyone with a driver’s license and a clean criminal record without reporting the sales to the government. At gun shows in these states, there is even less regulation. Private sellers, unlike licensed dealers, are not obligated to record the buyer’s name, much less report the sale to the A.T.F. Mexican officials have repeatedly asked the United States to clamp down on the flow of weapons and are likely to bring it up again with President Obama when he visits Mexico on Thursday. Sending straw buyers into American stores, cartels have stocked up on semiautomatic AK-47 and AR-15 rifles, converting some to machine guns, investigators in both countries say. They have also bought .50 caliber rifles capable of stopping a car and Belgian pistols able to fire rifle rounds that will penetrate body armor.
It’s not just the sheer numbers of arms flowing into Mexico, but how powerful these weapons are: .50 caliber sniper rifles, assault rifles, cop-killer bullets that can penetrate bullet proof vests. The U.S. is simply looking the other way as whole arsenals head south, while drugs head north. And yet, the gun lobby’s shill, Wayne LaPierre, tries to assert that U.S. guns aren’t being trafficked into Mexico. Read the rest of this entry »
Obama Will Take Away Your Guns FOR SURE According to World Expert
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Mormon LDS, Republicans, The Constitution, assault weapons on April 7, 2009
Beck denies responsibility for Pittsburgh shooting, adds that Obama “will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun”
This is good news for gun owners because pretty much every major prediction/warning Glenn Beck has ever made, was wrong. This is a classic technique of apocalyptic Christians of which he is one.
So there ya have it. Gun owners can rest easy on Glenn record.
Sawed-Off Shotguns, Spineless Utah Republicans and The Golden Arches
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control, Jon Huntsman, Utah Legislature, Utah Politics, assault weapons, utah on April 2, 2009
Link: The driver , of a white Dodge Intrepid pulled into the drive-through at about 2 a.m. at McDonald’s at 210 W. 500 South in Salt Lake City and ordered food from the lunch and dinner menu, police said.
When a clerk told her the restaurant was serving only items from the breakfast menu, the woman drove to the second window, police said. Two men got out of the car, and one pulled a sawed-off shotgun out of the trunk, police said. He fired once or twice into the drive-though window before the two men and the woman left…
Unfortunately, the new law making it perfectly legal to carry loaded guns in your car WITHOUT a concealed carry permit is not retroactive.
That’s right. Amid strong public opposition, the rural, religious, right-wing politicos that run the state have taken Utah closer to the territory of the Wild Wild West for which they yearn.
Link: The two bills make changes to current gun laws to allow loaded firearms to be carried in vehicles without the necessity of a concealed weapons permit, and require businesses to allow loaded firearms in vehicles parked on their property…
…all for which will only make it easier for pretty much anyone to steal a loaded gun without having to confront its owner. Yeaaaaah!!!
On the issue of allowing loaded firearms to be carried in vehicles without a concealed weapons permit, 60 percent of respondents were somewhat or strongly opposed, while 35 percent were somewhat or strongly in favor.
Ah, but the gun lobby is very very active at the Capitol and the spine of the average pioneer, well…absent.
Seemingly, Republican legislators are willing to take the sides of gun rights lobbyists against the rights of property owners,” Gunn said. “Legislators are saying that gun rights trump property rights.
But then what are Republicans if not hypocrites.
Lets Compare Guns. I’ll Shoot First
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control on March 30, 2009
JESUS! It hasn’t even been 24 hours, and we have like twenty dead innocent Americans in three different shootings without even looking too hard.
I wonder how murders were prevented today with guns.
Man accidentally shoots brother while comparing weaponsMarch 30th, 2009 @ 10:54am
TOOELE –
Brotherly bonding over guns ended with one of the siblings in the hospital.
The Tooele County Sheriff’s Office says the pair was driving from their home in Elko Nevada to Salt Lake City Saturday morning when they began comparing the weapons they both had with them. It was then that one of the brothers accidentally shot the other.
He apparently did not realize his gun was loaded.
The man was shot in the leg. He was transported via helicopter to the University of Utah Medical Center and is expected to be OK.
Parent Humiliates 9y/o Son: Uses Kid to Push Guns
Posted by Cliff Lyon in Gun Control on March 26, 2009
So this Gun Freak named Nightmare sends his nine-year-old son to school wearing this T-Shirt. School makes the kid turn it inside out for the rest of the day. Gun-Freak Dad spends 6 straight days blogging about it.
What is this extreme obsession with guns? I weep for the poor little kid. He’s not even old enough to use a gun and his Dad is using him to promote guns and scaring a lot of other little kids in the process.
Link: I was informed that he was removed from the classroom and taken to a Counsellor who convinced him to remove the shirt and turn it inside out. That spurs questions in my “investigative mind”…
He was then returned to the classroom. He was made to wear his clothing in an inappropriate manner in front of the other students.
Nevermind that his education was disrupted and he was singled out by the teacher.
Nevermind that the t-shirt contained no obscenities, doesn’t suggest or promote anti-social behavior, doesn’t advertise alcohol, tobbaco or the occult, violence, vulgarity, profanity or sexual references.
Nevermind that the school has a home contact and other emergency contact numbers for reaching us.
Nevermind that they didn’t call to bring the matter up.
I think the guy actually typed out the school’s handbook including dress code which forbids clothing that:
“advertises any product or service not permitted to minors by law.
…suggests or promotes anti-social behavior, violence,…”
Is an NRA t-shirt with 4 hand guns designed to shoot at people on it promoting violence? I would be hard to imagine a more violent t-shirt. I suppose depicting and actual murder might be worse.
Does an NRA t-shirt with 4 hand guns designed to shoot at people promote anti-social behavior? Next time you are in a nice social situation like school, church or family picnic, try pulling out a hand gun then take a poll.
Is it speech protected by the First Amendment? Yes, except in responsible schools with thoughtful policies designed to protect innocent children from the vagaries of their parents.




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